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Old 06-27-2013, 06:03 PM   #1
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turbo manifold question?

hey all! dont flame me for this!

now we've all seen that the mk2 long tube headers bolt up, does anyone have a turbo manifold off a mk2?

im aware the bolt pattern is the same, etc etc. my concern is the placement of the snail. does it mount straight back of the head? or fallow the original exhaust route and have it mounted slightly down?

i'm not concerned with Fuel management, or timing yet.
i'm just trying to get the mechanical aspect sorted out while our friends at the tuning shops continue working away at the PCM code, and their ability to alter the trims and tables.

any one have pictures, info, etc?


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I too was wondering, I also was thinking if the turbo manifold off a mazdaspeed3 would work.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:25 PM   #3
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why not just get parts for an ST? everything fits then.
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Just more of a curiosity thing for me. I have zero intentions of force induction.
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why not just get parts for an ST? everything fits then.
The ST's turbomanifold is intergrated into the head.
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The Mazdaspeed manifold won't work as far as I can tell. I was looking at the gasket, and the ports don't match up from what I can tell.

And ya. St no work. :/
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The Mazdaspeed manifold won't work as far as I can tell. I was looking at the gasket, and the ports don't match up from what I can tell.

And ya. St no work. :/
Clearance in the engine bay looks slightly different. But still looks good to me.

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A couple problems would be tuning and the compression. It would also have to run low boost. I was thinking of a thicker head gasket to help push down the compression, but being an interference engine, it would suck to pull the head off to do that. I've been contemplating this for awhile now, but there's not enough info to justify going turbo. Plus, I don't think AEM will come out with a standalone EMS for us.
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I stand corrected, must have been really tired last night.

It would most def. have to be low boost application.
Ill see if my buddies over at Mazda have a mani and turbo kicking around to play with. Let's cross our fingers on that one.

As for spacing the head, I've thought about it. I haven't had the time to research our head bolts and timing components to see if there's anything better to try.
In not scared of doing it. But it has to be done right, or the adjustable cam gear will hate us! Lol.

Also I can't use standalone fuel management and such here. We have similar emissions testing to California. It's a pain.
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I stand corrected, must have been really tired last night.

It would most def. have to be low boost application.
Ill see if my buddies over at Mazda have a mani and turbo kicking around to play with. Let's cross our fingers on that one.

As for spacing the head, I've thought about it. I haven't had the time to research our head bolts and timing components to see if there's anything better to try.
In not scared of doing it. But it has to be done right, or the adjustable cam gear will hate us! Lol.

Also I can't use standalone fuel management and such here. We have similar emissions testing to California. It's a pain.
Any Variable Timing Cam is a pain! I remember building a Toyota VVT-i engine...omg...I had to be super careful to align and adjust the VVT-i cam gear. Not scared either, but not a fan.

If I was able to throw on like a 2.0mm head gasket, it should push down the compression enough to run more boost. I'm used to at least 14psi in previous cars.

As for a standalone...we don't have to smog our cars for 5 years after purchasing, unless you're taking it in for maintenance stuff at the dealership. I'm not sure they would even do an oil change. I would definitely want something to control the fuel, and was possibly looking at an Apex-i AFC Neo if it was possible.
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I don't need to smog my car for 7 years right now.
A piggy back system may be possible, although sct and injected have tuners for the focus now, maybe we can use that and some supporting sensors to set up AFR maps for forced induction.

Also the higher pressure MS3 fuel pump should fit as well.
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