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Old 03-19-2014, 11:28 PM   #41
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2013 SE Htchbk Manual - Revving RPMs Sticking Accelerator

Sorry for the delayed response, I've had my 2013 Ford Focus SE Hatchback in several without success. I was so frustrated that I made video recordings to show the Ford dealer. The dealer had me drive a 2014 and it does the same. They said they can't do anything about it. It was suggested to have a 1000 of my Ford Focus Friends complain and maybe Ford will do something about it.

Hard acceleration engage the clutch and the RPMs continue to climb aggressively up 15-20k RPMs after taking your foot off the accelerator. It's reminds me of when you accidently miss a shift.

Cruise Control Engaged and engage the clutch and the RPMs blip up 2-3k RPMs.

Slower speeds Normal driving shifting between 2500-3000 RPMs, the RPMs are slow to drop and hangs up at 2000 RPMs and then drops. I can literally shift gears without using the accelerator when between 2000-3000 RPMs.

Standard shifts above 3000 RPMs the RPMs blip up 2-5K RPMs.

Stop and Go Traffic. I can put the car in 1st or 2nd and let go of the accelerator and the car continues to move without stalling.

My concerns are safety and premature clutch wear and tear.

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Old 03-20-2014, 12:11 AM   #42
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You seem to be in the minority regarding your dislike of the "throttle assist".
It seems that most people here with the 5 speed have no such complaints.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:53 AM   #43
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I am not oppose to a small blip of the revs between shifts, that would make sense with "throttle assist", but it should not over rev or hold revs.
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I am not oppose to a small blip of the revs between shifts, that would make sense with "throttle assist", but it should not over rev or hold revs.
It does hold revs, that is the assist of it. When shifting up between gears, it will let the revs drop to the next gear-range RPM and hold it for a couple seconds to allow for a smoother shift to the next gear. The other issues you have, are you sure you aren't hitting the clutch before you pull your foot completely off the accelerator pedal? the clutch/throttle transition in this car is more touchy than other models out there. You should take the trans tech at your dealership for a road test and show him the problem, and then switch seats and see how the car acts for him/her.

I can get my car to do the exact rev-up you are talking about during shifts if I start to apply the clutch before I am off the throttle. I know you've been driving manuals for 30 years or whatever, but older models were easier to hide bad habits.
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It does hold revs, that is the assist of it. When shifting up between gears, it will let the revs drop to the next gear-range RPM and hold it for a couple seconds to allow for a smoother shift to the next gear. The other issues you have, are you sure you aren't hitting the clutch before you pull your foot completely off the accelerator pedal? the clutch/throttle transition in this car is more touchy than other models out there. You should take the trans tech at your dealership for a road test and show him the problem, and then switch seats and see how the car acts for him/her.

I can get my car to do the exact rev-up you are talking about during shifts if I start to apply the clutch before I am off the throttle. I know you've been driving manuals for 30 years or whatever, but older models were easier to hide bad habits.
Yes, had Ford Tranny specialist drive the Focus and the Shop Foreman...did the same thing. Had my friends that have been driving manual transmissions for years...did the same thing. Bad habit? Ford service recommendation is to let off the gas pedal 2 seconds before I want to shift...Really?
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Yes, had Ford Tranny specialist drive the Focus and the Shop Foreman...did the same thing. Had my friends that have been driving manual transmissions for years...did the same thing.
I'm not sure that I understand your point.

Considering that the behavior you mentioned is programmed into the PCM, how would it possible that it wouldn't do the same thing with a different driver?
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I own a 2012 with 5 speed and have never had the problem of engine rpm going 'up' all by itself.
The hang is normal and not what the op was complaining about.
(I too had a Contour SVT and the SVT rpm hang really was annoying)

Anyway i am only reporting I do NOT have the rpm gain discussed, at all, in my 2012 Focus with 5 speed tranny.
My baby responds perfectly normally between gears..
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Sorry for the delayed response, I've had my 2013 Ford Focus SE Hatchback in several without success. I was so frustrated that I made video recordings to show the Ford dealer. The dealer had me drive a 2014 and it does the same. They said they can't do anything about it. It was suggested to have a 1000 of my Ford Focus Friends complain and maybe Ford will do something about it. My concerns are safety and premature clutch wear and tear.
Hey vettetrn,

I'd like to loop in your regional customer service manager, who'll work with you and your dealer to come to a solution. Please send me a PM with your full name, best daytime phone number, VIN, mileage, and servicing dealership.

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Hard acceleration engage the clutch and the RPMs continue to climb aggressively up 15-20k RPMs .
holy smokes! I knew they used F1 tech to base the tranny but I didn't know they did the engines too!

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It does hold revs, that is the assist of it. When shifting up between gears, it will let the revs drop to the next gear-range RPM and hold it for a couple seconds to allow for a smoother shift to the next gear. The other issues you have, are you sure you aren't hitting the clutch before you pull your foot completely off the accelerator pedal? the clutch/throttle transition in this car is more touchy than other models out there. You should take the trans tech at your dealership for a road test and show him the problem, and then switch seats and see how the car acts for him/her.

I can get my car to do the exact rev-up you are talking about during shifts if I start to apply the clutch before I am off the throttle. I know you've been driving manuals for 30 years or whatever, but older models were easier to hide bad habits.
That's just it, that's not what it's doing. The revs don't drop if I don't come completely off the throttle and wait almost one full second ('one thousand one') before depressing the clutch pedal, they tend to stay the same when driving sedately or even keep climbing under hard acceleration. That one full section off the accelerator waiting to hit the clutch pedal seems to me like an eternity.

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I'm not sure that I understand your point.

Considering that the behavior you mentioned is programmed into the PCM, how would it possible that it wouldn't do the same thing with a different driver?
You seem pretty sure that the PCM is programmed to do this, were you closely involved with the project in some way?

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I own a 2012 with 5 speed and have never had the problem of engine rpm going 'up' all by itself.
The hang is normal and not what the op was complaining about.
(I too had a Contour SVT and the SVT rpm hang really was annoying)

Anyway i am only reporting I do NOT have the rpm gain discussed, at all, in my 2012 Focus with 5 speed tranny.
My baby responds perfectly normally between gears..
As I stated in my original post, "When I upshift, the throttle 'sticks' - what I mean here is that, if I don't come completely off the throttle and wait almost one full second ('one thousand one') before depressing the clutch pedal, the engine revs climb."

Let me qualify that a bit. Under hard acceleration, if I don't come off the throttle for a least one full second before depressing the clutch pedal, the revs climb a bit. Under 'sedate' acceleration, if I don't come off the throttle for at least one full second, the revs hang rather than falling. Either way, when I engage the clutch in the next gear, the revs are not closely matched to the next gear, and that's hard on the clutch. I wasn't sure if there was something wrong with my Focus, as I've never had a manual transmission car act like that, or if that's just the way things are and I should learn to deal with it.

It's looking like the overwhelming opinion is that that's the way things are and I've learned to deal with it rather than taking it to my Ford dealer, beating my head against the wall, and being treated like an imbecile, which has been my typical experience with dealership service departments...
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