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Old 05-14-2013, 10:38 PM   #21
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Sorry for the douchey reply OP. I was having a terrible day...To answer your question: The 2013 Focus with an automatic transmission has been having problems with the new dual-clutch. My friend just bought one a few weeks ago, and it is already back in the shop with said issues.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:10 PM   #22
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I was getting my oil changed at the dealer and the service manager and I were talking and he said the DCT is the biggest source of problems with the MK3 and there were 3 of them on the racks that day for that very issue. He said be glad I bought the 5 speed. Even the car rags I read have noted the DCT is not a strong point.

Yes,it's not all of them but the DCT does seem to be having more than it's share of problems than it should since there seems there are more threads on the DCT having problems than any other part of the 3rd gens.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:14 AM   #23
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I was getting my oil changed at the dealer and the service manager and I were talking and he said the DCT is the biggest source of problems with the MK3 and there were 3 of them on the racks that day for that very issue. He said be glad I bought the 5 speed. Even the car rags I read have noted the DCT is not a strong point.

Yes,it's not all of them but the DCT does seem to be having more than it's share of problems than it should since there seems there are more threads on the DCT having problems than any other part of the 3rd gens.
I don't know how this would parse in French but.

I think that a great many of the so called DCT issues are in the way they are driven and the expectations of their owners.

I love it, it takes getting used to and the programming is rather less than perfect but after about 10 minutes of driving as you wish to, it will adapt to your driving style and begin to respond as you want.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:27 AM   #24
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I bought my 2012 SE in July of '11. I've done nothing but change the oil and put air in the tires. As far as the sync system goes, it took a few days to get used to it, now that it's 2nd nature, I have no issues. I thnk the issue had more to do with percieved complication than actual function.
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I don't know how this would parse in French but.

I think that a great many of the so called DCT issues are in the way they are driven and the expectations of their owners.

I love it, it takes getting used to and the programming is rather less than perfect but after about 10 minutes of driving as you wish to, it will adapt to your driving style and begin to respond as you want.
The DCT should not have to be driven hard to work, the whole point of the DCT is improved fuel economy, driving it hard and with excess acceleration totally goes against Ford's reason for the DCT.

My transmission is still an issue, at less than 2500 miles. Shuddering, grinding, missing shifts occasionally.
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How many DCT owners have driven a well operating DCT say in something like the EVO which acts nothing like the Focus' DCT and yes,I've driven both. The Mitsu's is incredibly quick and actually impressed me and when I drove a couple DCT equipped Focus they were a major letdown. If you have to make an escuse for a car's shortcomings as "normal" then you just sound like the salesman at the dealerships.
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How many DCT owners have driven a well operating DCT say in something like the EVO which acts nothing like the Focus' DCT and yes,I've driven both. The Mitsu's is incredibly quick and actually impressed me and when I drove a couple DCT equipped Focus they were a major letdown. If you have to make an escuse for a car's shortcomings as "normal" then you just sound like the salesman at the dealerships.
From what I understand, wet-clutch setups like the Mitsu SST transmission (and even the wet-clutch Ford transmission available in Europe) typically do behave more "normally" than the dry-clutch DCT. Though operation is smoother and torque capacity is typically higher with wet clutches, the tradeoff is expensive fluid and filter changes. With this in mind, I'm not sure the direct comparison of the operation of wet-clutch systems and dry-clutch systems is a fair one.
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From what I understand, wet-clutch setups like the Mitsu SST transmission (and even the wet-clutch Ford transmission available in Europe) typically do behave more "normally" than the dry-clutch DCT. Though operation is smoother and torque capacity is typically higher with wet clutches, the tradeoff is expensive fluid and filter changes. With this in mind, I'm not sure the direct comparison of the operation of wet-clutch systems and dry-clutch systems is a fair one.
i agree fully w/ u here.. my experience w/ wet clutches (all VW) has been very positive... While my DCT in my focus performs w/o problems it's not as nice a tranny to drive as that in the VW.
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How many DCT owners have driven a well operating DCT say in something like the EVO which acts nothing like the Focus' DCT and yes,I've driven both. The Mitsu's is incredibly quick and actually impressed me and when I drove a couple DCT equipped Focus they were a major letdown. If you have to make an escuse for a car's shortcomings as "normal" then you just sound like the salesman at the dealerships.
I test drove a Dodge Dart Rallye with the Turbo and Fiat DDCT, it did not react or feel anything close to my car but it got similar crappy reviews as the Ford DCT. My car often feels lethargic in the low end with grinding and shuddering. I have not driven a Mitsu DCT only a Lancer with the CVT, was not impressed with the rubber band feel.

The wet clutches are hard to compare, reason I only can compare the Dart since it's the closest thing to the PowerShit.
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While my DCT in my focus performs w/o problems it's not as nice a tranny to drive as that in the VW.
I think you hit the nail on the head! It is not as nice of tranny to drive and therefore unacceptable to most of the masses of folks who buy an automatic Focus - hence all the complaints. ( I have driven VW & Ford, and the VW is much smoother overall).

Ford should have known its customer base a bit better and released the DCT as a 3rd tranny option to work out the bugs first before making it the only automatic option.
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