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Old 04-30-2013, 09:23 PM   #1
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Have a serious problem anti theft

So the wife and I assumed it was a Ford thing, but after losing mine and calling them, their response confirmed that it was not.

So here is the scoop.

I have a 2001 ford focus zx3. When we bought it we were given 2 sets of keys, both of which had the usual key fob for unlocking doors, and popping the hatch. There was another fob where we had to press a button in order for the car to start. Without pressing the button you can turn the key and have all the lights, radio and what not come on. You needed to hit this button on this OTHER key fob in order to turn the car over and start.

So short story shorter, we lost one full set of keys years ago. Today I left the office and noticed that my security fob was not on my keychain. I call Ford and they have no idea what I am talking about, so it was determined that this was an after market anti theft device.

My question is this. Can anyone tell me what I would be looking for in order to bypass this device? Would it be under the dash? Could it be under the hood? I am pretty handy with the tools and generally wrench on all our vehicles. I own a motorcycle and do all my own work, as well as I am a technical person in terms of server hardware, software, and databases.
So if anyone could PLEASE point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

My car is at work and I am at home (thirty miles) so I would not be able to answer any questions quickly in terms of "what do you see here, or there?"

Please help, this hurts our commute pretty badly.


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Old 04-30-2013, 10:25 PM   #2
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Check under your dash by the steering colum for an orange wire this should lead to the cpu box or under the hood by your starter wiring see if there's after market wiring spliced into it. The wiring and alarm cpu is going to be hidden from plain view so use a flash light. Your best bet is to find an Audio and Alarm shop in your area. They should be familiar with the brand you have installed in your car and help you bypass it. I don't advise cutting anything if you're unsure of what you're doing.
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I sincerely appreciate the suggestion. I can certainly take a look under the dash for something looking as though it is between the ignition and starter wires. Ill take a look near the starter too and see if I can follow some wires.

I would assume the device would need to be spliced somewhere between the ignition and the cylanoid? Wish I knew where these were in a focus.

Also I may just have it towed to an alarm shop as you are right they may know right away what to look for.

I wont be able to do this until tomorrow morning so if anyone has any ideas for me before I spend the money to tow to a shop and have it removed, I am all ears.

Thanks again,
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There is no way someone could pinpoint you on that as there are so many ways of wiring that it's not funny. Best to alarm shop it as they will know the most likely systems.
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Thanks, I figured that it could be a long shot. However reading some of these threads it appeared that some people on here know a LOT about these cars, and I figured that maybe someone would have possibly put something like this in theirs. I will be calling an alarm install shop tomorrow.
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Why someone would put in anti-theft when the Ford has PATS already is beyond me.

It is possible that they had one key left and figured they did not want to spend $$ at a Ford dealership for more keys so they went with something that placed the key transducer by a sensor and now that goes to the ECU via a relay activated by your FOB

Please come back with your experience in getting this fixed
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Hope you've had some luck today, as mentioned above the original owner added something that's hardly needed - the stock system disables the car quite effectively by cutting ignition, and short of a Dealer/locksmith computer to program a new key it can't be bypassed. This one apparently disables the starter, I'm guessing that alone.

MOST of these get "hidden" poorly right under the dashboard for ease of installation & weather protection, they're only there to slow someone down on a vehicle where they actually help. Would have min. 4 wires, two for the interrupted circuit - power - ground.

For a manual transmission, they would only have to "cut" into the clutch safety switch wiring to do this. That would be an easy thing to find and is required for manual transmission vehicles so the fitment & instructions would be universal.

For an Automatic, it could be hidden better. They could cut into safety interlock wiring in the center console, which only allows the engine to "crank" in park or neutral. Pulling the console to check there isn't difficult, it's just FAR beyond the time any thief would put into the effort so that would be a preferred installation location.

Hope that helps if you haven't got it figured out otherwise by now.

Let us know what you find, it may help someone else in the future (and we're all curious anyways)

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Luck getting it going!
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