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Old 07-10-2013, 02:00 PM   #11
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Zeon Did Not Bring Me Zen! : (

I got the RS3-A tires just over a month ago, replacing the 16" original size with 235/45-17 on new 17x8 wheels. (Pics to come! ; )

The Coopers are very good in many ways. The ride comfort is *much* better than with the OE ContiProContacts (even though they had taller 55-series sidewalls on the 16" OE rims). The Contis felt like hard basketballs and made a loud noise when driving over expansion joints. I used Nokian Hakkapeliitta R for winter, and they were also much smoother, while giving about the same level of handling as the Contis did without suffering the unpleasant ride. The Coopers of course provide the best handling, but it's impossible to know how much of the improvement is due to the wider and lower profile rubber (235/45-17 vs. 215/55-16), but they absorb bumps even better than the Nokian winters (also 16"). Another unexpected benefit was greatly reduced pitching during acceleration and braking, resulting in a very "planted" feel, but again I don't know how much is due the size upgrade.

Now for the problems ...
(The first three are *partly* due to the wider size, I know.)
1. Fuel consumption up about 5%
2. Higher steering effort - the car feels heavier even though it can "get there" faster
3. A lot of road steer, especially when braking, when the road isn't flat and level
4. Worst of all (and not due to the size!) is overnight flat-spotting !!! Because I live outside the city, I reach highway speeds within 2 minutes of leaving home in the morning, and the tires shake the car until they warm up. The amount of vibration is directly related to how cold it gets. Because I got the tires at the start of June, it hasn't been that cold - so I can just imagine what I would feel in October and November !! (before changing to winter tires)

So, if you live in the city you may not have any flat-spotting issue since the tires will warm up by the time you reach high speeds. I'm curious if anyone else has had the experience I have? My RS3-A's were made in China, and I know that some are made in the U.S., so I'm wondering if there is a quality difference due to difference raw materials maybe?

Also, because the wheels have a 42mm offset, the outer edges of the tires are sitting about 1" farther out (and filling the wheel wells much better!) Are there any techies here that would know if the alignment would be negatively affected by this? I.e. would modifying the camber and/or toe improve the road-steer and heavy feeling?

I am now looking for different tires because I know for sure there would be "a lot of shakin' goin' on" in the fall!
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:23 PM   #12
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The Conti's are absolutely garbage and come on just about every single car made right from Ford all the way to Mercedes Benz, cars and Suv's alike...
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The Conti's are absolutely garbage and come on just about every single car made right from Ford all the way to Mercedes Benz, cars and Suv's alike...
I'll tell ya I'm not a huge fan of the OE pro-contacts. I just want to make people aware that every manufacturer makes good and bad tires. I for 1 am a huge fan of their new Conti Pure Contact. Bought a set for my mom last month on her '08 Accord and she's never been happier.

Amazing wet traction and as smooth and quite as can be.



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I've driven a lot of Foci with the Conti's doing PDI's at the dealership. They're a basic OEM tire. They seem to need replacement at around 60,000km and we don't get too many complaints/problems with them. I got to drive a Titanium with the Coopers on the other day and loved them. They seem like a good entry level performance summer tire and they felt to me like they'd be an excellent daily driver! Some of the new Foci have the Michelin Pilots as well.

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I'll tell ya I'm not a huge fan of the OE pro-contacts. I just want to make people aware that every manufacturer makes good and bad tires. I for 1 am a huge fan of their new Conti Pure Contact. Bought a set for my mom last month on her '08 Accord and she's never been happier.

Amazing wet traction and as smooth and quite as can be.



Those look very nice! I just got a set of the Conti DWS. They are fantastic in the rain and have decent dry traction. They were also several pounds lighter than what I had before so I got a nice MPG boost. The biggest thing I hear about the pro contact is the performance in snow and noise.
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i'[ve only got 2000km's on my 201A SE hatch, but i really like these tires, i was actually expecting to have to deal with subpar oem junk that would need replacement within a year.
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i'[ve only got 2000km's on my 201A SE hatch, but i really like these tires, i was actually expecting to have to deal with subpar oem junk that would need replacement within a year.

Do you mean the ContiProContact? And do you have 16" or 17"?

I found that the 16" on the OE 16x6.5 steel rims gave the *worst* of both worlds - neither the comfort of the base 15" with taller sidewalls (experienced on a loaner from the dealership), nor the handling of the 17" with shorter sidewalls.

I found the 16" Conti's felt mushy and detached on smooth roads (like driving on a 1/2" layer of foam), but they jolted the car and went "POW!" over expansion joints. Also they made the car sound like riding around in a cardboard box (i.e. strange cheap-sounding interior noise), which I no longer experience with the 235/45R17 Coopers.

The ContiProContact were most criticised for fast tread wear, but I found the same critics praised them for good ride comfort. I wonder if Continental changed the tread compound last year to something harder to extend life (but negatively affect ride quality)?
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I found the 16" Conti's felt mushy and detached on smooth roads (like driving on a 1/2" layer of foam), but they jolted the car and went "POW!" over expansion joints. Also they made the car sound like riding around in a cardboard box (i.e. strange cheap-sounding interior noise), which I no longer experience with the 235/45R17 Coopers.
YES, this. My snows are far more comfortable and quiet over bumps and expansion joints.

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The ContiProContact were most criticised for fast tread wear, but I found the same critics praised them for good ride comfort. I wonder if Continental changed the tread compound last year to something harder to extend life (but negatively affect ride quality)?
I don't drive a Focus, but on my 2012 Civic, my ContiPro's that came stock are the same as the Focus stock ones. They are the worst tire I've ever encountered! I have 8500 miles on my car and the back ones are already at 5/32" after two rotations and using winter tires for this past winter. I'm not happy to say the least.
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Do you mean the ContiProContact? And do you have 16" or 17"?

I found that the 16" on the OE 16x6.5 steel rims gave the *worst* of both worlds - neither the comfort of the base 15" with taller sidewalls (experienced on a loaner from the dealership), nor the handling of the 17" with shorter sidewalls.

I found the 16" Conti's felt mushy and detached on smooth roads (like driving on a 1/2" layer of foam), but they jolted the car and went "POW!" over expansion joints. Also they made the car sound like riding around in a cardboard box (i.e. strange cheap-sounding interior noise), which I no longer experience with the 235/45R17 Coopers.

The ContiProContact were most criticised for fast tread wear, but I found the same critics praised them for good ride comfort. I wonder if Continental changed the tread compound last year to something harder to extend life (but negatively affect ride quality)?
i've got the Coopers on my SE/201A in 215/50R17.
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YES, this. My snows are far more comfortable and quiet over bumps and expansion joints.



I don't drive a Focus, but on my 2012 Civic, my ContiPro's that came stock are the same as the Focus stock ones. They are the worst tire I've ever encountered! I have 8500 miles on my car and the back ones are already at 5/32" after two rotations and using winter tires for this past winter. I'm not happy to say the least.
Okay ... so it looks like the ProContact can be harsh, noisy AND wear out fast! I gave mine away after 2 months when I changed to winter tires. I couldn't believe the difference in ride softness - I thought the installer had mistakenly inflated the new tires to 20 PSI or less!!
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