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Old 04-17-2013, 03:08 PM   #11
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Yeah, literally that same exact thing happened to me. Looks like I'll be contacting Gates as well.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:15 PM   #12
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I can't say I will buy Gates parts or recommend them to anyone at this point. I'll be using OEM for rebuilding.

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Trouble there is, I think Gates is the OEM supplier to Ford.
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Trouble there is, I think Gates is the OEM supplier to Ford.
now this is something i would like to know, because this and realdeejs troubles have me swaying towards buying the stuff from tousely
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If they are, they are producing two cosmetically different parts. The Ford tensioner I took off of the car was easily disassembled. The Gates tensioner in the TCK294 kit was a solid, stout piece that was not easily broken down into components and I did not take it apart in any form or fashion. My initial impression of the gates parts were that they were much higher quality than OEM, but this turned out not being the case.

The bearings may be the same, but the assembly is different is what I guess I'm trying to point out.



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Old 04-17-2013, 03:57 PM   #15
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The way the tensioner is designed can be misleading. All the slack in the belt needs to be on the tensioner side, and then you rotate the cam in the tensioner so the arrow/line lines up with the slot, torque it down, and it's good.

But if you succesfully fire and run the engine, that arrow and slot will now be out of alignment. It's still actually holding the correct tension, it's just some design quirk about the tensioner I don't understand. I learned about this from an extremely knowledeable guy.

I can imagine a few very meticulous people re-checking belt tension after running the engine, thinking the tension is off, and then adding more tension to get it back in "spec" and ending up with way more belt tension than is appropriate.

If anybody does contact Gates about these tensioner failings, please bring up this point with them. I'm 99% sure but I'd love to hear it direct from the experts.
I knew about this from research before doing the belt. When I assembled everything, I did not add additional tension to compensate, I put it together and manually rotated the crankshaft to ensure timing remained correct after numerous rotations.

The mechanic told me everything I did was correct and there is no reason for the failure beyond a faulty part. He is ASE certified so I could probably have him write it up if I asked nicely, but I somehow think I'm going to get the big "piss off" from Gates over this. :banghead:

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I'm almost sure it's true, check out their website. They are not some fly by night parts company, they're a gigantic multipronged industry and they do boast of being a major supplier to OEMs. I think Motorcraft mostly means Ford engineers did thorough testing and decided that these parts were the best compromise between price and performance/longevity, and then probably paid some licensing fees to be able to brand them as "Motorcraft" as a symbol of quality for customers.

I think with the three t-belt jobs I've done on that era of Zetec, all original parts on the car looked identical to the Gates parts I was putting back in.
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If they are, they are producing two cosmetically different parts.
Interesting, I might be misremembering that they were identical, and I'm not positive they were all on original equipment still. I know my car probably didn't have factory timing stuff in it since the previous owner put in and adjustable cam gear and I suspect he did the belt too just for shits and giggles (even though the car only had 20K miles on it if that).
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I'm almost sure it's true, check out their website. They are not some fly by night parts company, they're a gigantic multipronged industry and they do boast of being a major supplier to OEMs. I think Motorcraft mostly means Ford engineers did thorough testing and decided that these parts were the best compromise between price and performance/longevity, and then probably paid some licensing fees to be able to brand them as "Motorcraft" as a symbol of quality for customers.

I think with the three t-belt jobs I've done on that era of Zetec, all original parts on the car looked identical to the Gates parts I was putting back in.
Then they have definitely changed something as the tensioner I removed was drastically different in appearance from the OEM. Check rock auto for gates part # 43003 and the other tensioners. They work the same way by turning the tension adjustment with a hex key, but are most definitely not the same.

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I purchased a Gates kit recently from Rockauto, though haven't installed it. The kit mentioned that the tensioner is a newly revised design and it did not look like an original Ford one I had sitting around or the new Ford replacement I had also purchased. Did any of the posters here have kits that mentioned the revised Gates tensioner?
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Gates :

Goodyear/This is what the OEM tensioner looked like that I took off the car


Granted, the picture shows the Gates tensioner from the backside, but it is still drastically different than the others in appearance.
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