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Old 04-07-2013, 03:14 PM   #11
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Plus even with all the Euro options you still have a 160hp car which over $30k is a hard sell to americans.
As soon as we start paying European level gas prices, that attitude will change. I even told myself my next car would be a Hybrid, the C-Max was one I considered, test drove it and considered it but went with the Focus since I got more bang for the buck. I would have been happy if the 1.0L or 1.6L was available over the 2.0L.
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Reality check. After converting the currency, the UK base Focus 5-door would cost $21418, the Titanium, similarly equipped would run $33523 and a Titanium X with all the fancy UK features would top out at $35766. I'm not sure the typical US buyer looking for an economy compact would be willing to shell out over 35K, not everyone is a Focus Fanatic. That's why we don't have those features available in the US. Adaptive cruise control and lane keeping technology are available here and I think we will see features like Active City Stop on upper trim models in the near future, they just don't fit into the Focus price range and overall buyer demographic.
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Reality check. After converting the currency, the UK base Focus 5-door would cost $21418, the Titanium, similarly equipped would run $33523 and a Titanium X with all the fancy UK features would top out at $35766. I'm not sure the typical US buyer looking for an economy compact would be willing to shell out over 35K, not everyone is a Focus Fanatic. That's why we don't have those features available in the US. Adaptive cruise control and lane keeping technology are available here and I think we will see features like Active City Stop on upper trim models in the near future, they just don't fit into the Focus price range and overall buyer demographic.
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Converting currency directly is a poor judge and rubric of what's expensive or not in a different country. The local consumer price index is very different. One pound sterling has different buying power in the UK than one USD has in America. Median, and base income per capita are quite different as well. It's pretty well known that because various economic issues and policies, the UK has in general higher per capita income, as well as people spending far less on certain things (like health insurance).

Their prices simply cannot be easily translated to US dollars.
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Since the US $ is the standard measuring tool, the following comes from World Bank statistics. In average income, the US is ranked 8th at $48112 and the UK is 22nd at $35675. The Consumer Price Index, or what it cost to purchase the same goods in each country, the costs are $102.24 in the US and $80.54 in the UK. Although Americans incomes are higher it cost more to live here. If the CPI numbers also reflect durable goods, cars are actually cheaper in the UK and their incomes are lower. Without doing more research beyond looking at some charts on the internet, or drilling deeper into the numbers, because it really doesn't matter, it seems that the income and CPI numbers even out and cars are cheaper in the UK than in the US.
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I would have paid more for Active City Stop, not so much for that particular feature but for another one that comes along with it -- Adaptive Cruise Control...

That feature alone would have given me a chubby...


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Since the US $ is the standard measuring tool, the following comes from World Bank statistics. In average income, the US is ranked 8th at $48112 and the UK is 22nd at $35675. The Consumer Price Index, or what it cost to purchase the same goods in each country, the costs are $102.24 in the US and $80.54 in the UK. Although Americans incomes are higher it cost more to live here. If the CPI numbers also reflect durable goods, cars are actually cheaper in the UK and their incomes are lower. Without doing more research beyond looking at some charts on the internet, or drilling deeper into the numbers, because it really doesn't matter, it seems that the income and CPI numbers even out and cars are cheaper in the UK than in the US.
This proving my point that people can afford to spend more liberally in the UK.

You'd probably need a more thorough breakdown to get at the meat and potatoes there, because since the US is home to some of the richest people on earth and some of the largest companies on earth, you've got some skew going on there. If I recall, according to the IRS, the biggest bracket of average income (that is, the percentage of the population falling into this bracket by a small +/- deviation from the mean) was between $29,000-31,500,

When you take into account that US prices scale differently (higher average cost of living, etc), it really means that comparing prices of things like cars is usually never an apples-to-apples deal.
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Reality check. After converting the currency, the UK base Focus 5-door would cost $21418, the Titanium, similarly equipped would run $33523 and a Titanium X with all the fancy UK features would top out at $35766. I'm not sure the typical US buyer looking for an economy compact would be willing to shell out over 35K, not everyone is a Focus Fanatic. That's why we don't have those features available in the US. Adaptive cruise control and lane keeping technology are available here and I think we will see features like Active City Stop on upper trim models in the near future, they just don't fit into the Focus price range and overall buyer demographic.

MSRP is somewhat subjective and again Lincolns are not available in Europe so Ford is covering a wide swath of feature rich cars to compete against the competition from makes we will never see, Renault, Vauxhall, Peugot, SEAT and etc..all of which make some nice compacts. Vauxhall Astra GTC, SEAT Leon Cupra, Renault Clio and etc.

Keep in mind Lincoln is going to launch a compact this fall, based on the Ford Focus. Looks like it will retain all of the steel of the current Focus and just new fascias and interior. Not sure if they will offer a hatch, but this test mule is a sedan. I bet those are HID projectors too.




I think though when Ford offered the Titanium, they were testing the waters for higher priced compacts. Since they dumped off a lot of their brands and other makes, they just now have Lincoln for the Luxury but a lot of the Titanium models are becoming more than what Ford was known for in the past. Seems to me like they are slowly increasing content, just not fast enough for me.

I would surely would pay a little more for certain things if they were available, but most of the cars on the lot are what they are and that's it. Even if I wanted to custom order one, there really isn't too much you can add.
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Since the US $ is the standard measuring tool, the following comes from World Bank statistics. In average income, the US is ranked 8th at $48112 and the UK is 22nd at $35675. The Consumer Price Index, or what it cost to purchase the same goods in each country, the costs are $102.24 in the US and $80.54 in the UK. Although Americans incomes are higher it cost more to live here. If the CPI numbers also reflect durable goods, cars are actually cheaper in the UK and their incomes are lower. Without doing more research beyond looking at some charts on the internet, or drilling deeper into the numbers, because it really doesn't matter, it seems that the income and CPI numbers even out and cars are cheaper in the UK than in the US.
Come on over to Europe and live for a year and then tell me it is cheaper then living in USA.
I call bullocks on this info you quoted above. It does not fit from my personal experience of living on both sides of the pond.
The UK is known as one of the most expensive countries to live.

How about Denmark, where a base Focus costs USD$35,000.00. That's for a 1.6L 115hp.
Global car prices are based on market conditions, and in no way can one compare car prices in Italy to USA , or China and USA or etc etc etc.
A Focus in Detroit is much cheaper for the same damn Focus is Windsor,Ontario (Canada) as are all other car manufacturers vehicles.
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Come on over to Europe and live for a year and then tell me it is cheaper then living in USA.
I call bullocks on this info you quoted above. It does not fit from my personal experience of living on both sides of the pond.
The UK is known as one of the most expensive countries to live.

How about Denmark, where a base Focus costs USD$35,000.00. That's for a 1.6L 115hp.
Global car prices are based on market conditions, and in no way can one compare car prices in Italy to USA , or China and USA or etc etc etc.
A Focus in Detroit is much cheaper for the same damn Focus is Windsor,Ontario (Canada) as are all other car manufacturers vehicles.
Hey, I'm sorry if I offended you. Look at my original post, I was concluding that it did cost more to purchase a car in the UK. Then The Red Comet came along and disputed my claim, you beef is with that person. All I did was search the most recent World Bank numbers and draw a conclusion from them. Just like in the US, it costs more to live in NYC than Manhattan, Kansas even though it's the same average income, cost of living index and GDP compiled for the entire nation.
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Come on over to Europe and live for a year and then tell me it is cheaper then living in USA.
I call bullocks on this info you quoted above. It does not fit from my personal experience of living on both sides of the pond.
The UK is known as one of the most expensive countries to live.

How about Denmark, where a base Focus costs USD$35,000.00. That's for a 1.6L 115hp.
Global car prices are based on market conditions, and in no way can one compare car prices in Italy to USA , or China and USA or etc etc etc.
A Focus in Detroit is much cheaper for the same damn Focus is Windsor,Ontario (Canada) as are all other car manufacturers vehicles.
Thread is going off way off topic, wasn't posted to debate over apples to oranges comparisons, but since it's being discussed I throw in some more facts. I suppose you left out that in Denmark higher education is free, as where in the US it can cost plenty and a lot of people carry student loan debt for years after graduating which effects their purchase power. Not unheard of to see people who have $100K+ in student debt can't find a job, or one that pays well.

Also health insurance is free in Denmark, I am paying $500/month for health insurance currently, my employer only pays part of the tab, which is common in the US. The Feds also take out their cut along with medicare and social security, which most people under 40 won't ever see much of a return on.

Average salary in Norway is $82K/year, even unskilled jobs pay higher than the average salary in the US.

Poverty is non-existent in much of Europe, poverty in the US is very high in some parts you would think you were in a third world country.

Even after high EU taxes, the money left over on average is still higher than the average in the US.

Also it's not uncommon to get 30 days off a year, in Germany I had some co-workers who's wives had a baby and they were given maternity leave for a few months with salary and benefits.

Not even to mention how many hours a week in the US we work compared to the EU norm, many of the Germans I worked with and the ones that moved to US operations had a rough time adjusting to our schedules and 2 weeks of vacation which includes sick days.
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