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Old 04-04-2013, 04:05 PM   #21
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Yeah, because that has worked SO well for Mazda. Yes, it improved performance and mileage very marginally over the previous 2.0L and 2.5L, but, read the Mazda forums and blogs.... not enough of an increase for the added cost and issues they`re seeing now. Our current GDI 2.0L has a 12:1 CR which is quite high (motorcycle territory) and without the `magic`Skyactiv crap.
Mazda didn't use their fancy 4-2-1 header that would allow the higher compressions in North America. Engine configuration didn't allow the room. The 'newer' 2 and 2.5 DI engines are still on the lower spec compression ratios.

You do realize that their Skyactiv engines are, would you believe, almost identical aside from bore/stroke? So yeah, the current batch of Skyactive engines aren't that wow people expected because they aren't fully utilizing all of the Skyactive specs (body structure and transmission aside).
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:25 PM   #22
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Finally, do we really want the complexity of a turbo engineered by the same bunch that did the DCT? Just sayin...
Honeywell doesn't engineer transmissions, but carry on.
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Honeywell doesn't engineer transmissions, but carry on.
Yes there are lots of component manufacturers, like Honeywell and Getrag. But Ford has the overall engineering responsibility for choosing, specifying and integrating components. Given the "fail" on the DCT, we should be confident the EcoBoost effort will have a different outcome? This was the engine with 2 recalls, including a "do not drive" caution. And it's still early.
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Yes there are lots of component manufacturers, like Honeywell and Getrag. But Ford has the overall engineering responsibility for choosing, specifying and integrating components. Given the "fail" on the DCT, we should be confident the EcoBoost effort will have a different outcome? This was the engine with 2 recalls, including a "do not drive" caution. And it's still early.
I agree, ever since my Blaupunkt radio failed, I quit buying Bilsteins. I mean, we just can't be sure.
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Unless the dealer specifically ordered one for inventory Ford had said essentially that the 6MT 1.6L EcoBoost Fusion would be customer order only and they didn't expect that the dealers would actually stock them.
So customers can't test one before ordering/buying? Makes plenty of sense.
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So customers can't test one before ordering/buying? Makes plenty of sense.


Per the 2013 Ford Fusion order guide yes unless you're committed to buying one you can't get one built. You could always back out later, but if you do you'd better have a damned good reason especially if it was ordered on a/z/d/x plans.

Dealers cannot order one for stock, it has to be a retail order i.e. one with a named or intended buyer or they won't build it.
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Per the 2013 Ford Fusion order guide yes unless you're committed to buying one you can't get one built. You could always back out later, but if you do you'd better have a damned good reason especially if it was ordered on a/z/d/x plans.
Isn't an O/T 2 also a retail order? By non-retail, don't they mean O/T 5?
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Isn't an O/T 2 also a retail order? By non-retail, don't they mean O/T 5?
Huh? I don't work for a dealer so I don't know the codes, but the order priorities went from 10-99 and a 99 was a do not schedule ever, 10 was the highest priority a dealer could assign without intervention from Ford, which I found out when I'd ordered mine.

Ordering for dealer stock is a non retail order.

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an OT (order type) 1 = Retail sold unit, WILL get built faster than an OT 2 = Dealer Stock.
http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f4/20...vs-retail-668/

No an order type 2 is a dealer stock order, aka not a retail sold order.
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Ordering for dealer stock is a non retail order.
Says who?
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Huh? I don't work for a dealer so I don't know the codes, but the order priorities went from 10-99 and a 99 was a do not schedule ever, 10 was the highest priority a dealer could assign without intervention from Ford, which I found out when I'd ordered mine.
I'm not talking about priorities, I'm talking about order types, which appears to be the issue here.
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