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Old 06-02-2013, 07:33 AM   #11
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went green

hi i have a green filter on my sel sedan and with lid on felt constricted that the delete snorkel was the only part where it was getting air i guess is good for someone that doesn't want the sound but with the lid off it defnly gives power to it heat and all on stand still depends on your foot if you want to blast off from red light it take a little to get use to but ones it has open road you can fill it breathing better and mpg wise ive had this done this pas week and had a lot of stuff to do plus one car family so its been great actually probably a little less gas was use so ill let u know on a second tank
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:11 AM   #12
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To me, removing the lid allows hotter engine compartment air in. The stock box is essentially a CAI to me and removing the lid creates a hot air intake. The CAI kits all have a heat shield and something to seal of this area of the engine compartment to avoid this issue. I am running a K&N and deleted the snorkel...didn't trim the flap or remove the bits underneath the air box...seems like a good way to go. With the open end filters like the green..doesn't this also get hotter air in?
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:16 AM   #13
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I installed a spectre red coned filter with the lid on and the end left open. sounds awesome, throaty. also throttle response seems better. I saw a 1mpg increase and still climing
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:00 AM   #14
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IMHO, the best all-around set up for our cars right now as far as sound, price, and power gains is to do a snorkel delete with the flap behind the whiskers/upper grill bar removed and the newmission mod with 3-inch tubing and the driver's side grill triangle plug modified to allow air to the newmission tubing and a K&N or equivalent drop in filter. Keep the lid on.

You can do this set-up for the price of the K&N or other equivalent filter and the tubing for the newmission (I have $27 in that).


I showed my progression towards this happy medium a long time ago in this thread:

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283879

My original snorkle and flap removal thread/how to (above) is not very good, so thankfully dyn085 stepped in and did a nice write up with pics. I tried to use Ford parts diagrams because I just couldn't get the pics to turn out the way I wanted. Some of the original pics have been removed because I changed around my Photobucket account as well, so sorry for that. Like I said, see dyno's thread for snorkle pics since he did a nice job of it once the mod took off. But, if you read along you will see how I combined all 3 mods (K&N, snorkle, and newmission).
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:57 AM   #15
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My original snorkle and flap removal thread/how to (above) is not very good, so thankfully dyn085 stepped in and did a nice write up with pics. I tried to use Ford parts diagrams because I just couldn't get the pics to turn out the way I wanted. Some of the original pics have been removed because I changed around my Photobucket account as well, so sorry for that. Like I said, see dyno's thread for snorkle pics since he did a nice job of it once the mod took off. But, if you read along you will see how I combined all 3 mods (K&N, snorkle, and newmission).
You can take the credit for the mod if you need that personal validation, it's not that big of a deal to me. You tried recommending it to me in my build thread after I was already doing it. I did the write-up on it because people kept sending my PM's asking for more detailed information due to the dyno-graphs I was posting showing the gains of just the snorkel-delete with the drop-in filter. The mod took off because I was able to substantiate it with dyno work. But that's neither here nor there.

Either way, I don't recommend the Newmission mod without disclaimers due to the fact that I lost 3mpg on my standard commute. I don't discredit it because I know through testing that it dyno's the same as the snorkel-delete, but if anyone does this mod and realizes that they want to de-Newmission then they have to go buy an entire air box assembly because you can not simply replace that one singe part. Part number BV6Z-9600-A (for those that want to see how it can affect your wallet), and the reason that I know all of this can be found here-http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316515

The Newmission has it's place and is stellar for some. If you need the personal validation about having done the snorkel-delete first then that's fine because I don't. I only recommend it because I dyno-proved its legitimacy and is cheap, not because you or I created it.
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Lol. I wasn't trying to do that, but I did want to point out that I combined all of the low-buck mods and it seems to work well. But, okay.

Further, I find it interesting that you lost MPG with the modification. I didn't see any loss. Of course my car was pretty darned new when I did this, so maybe if I had given it more time stock, then I might have seen the same thing. I can't complain either way.

And the dyno time you did was awesome. I wish I had local access, but maybe I'll take a drive to one soon.

And lets not get into a pissing match. At least I DID give you credit for your write-up. I see no credit given to me in yours, but maybe I missed it (I did not read the whole thread). Just saying. Let's just stop now. I'm sorry if you think I was trying to get personal validation in this thread. Sure, that is nice to have, but truly my point was to try all of the mods together for fantastic results and point out a thread where I did that. After over a year it is still working great.

Much like FocusBoy trying the MS3 aftermarket mount. If not for him, and the fact I used to own an MS3, I would not have thought to try the stock MS3 mount which has now taken off and is quite popular. That kind of synergy of thought and innovation has helped us all.
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Old 06-02-2013, 01:12 PM   #17
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Hey guys, got a question for all of you. I decided to go with a Green filter after a lot of reading (on here) about the various intake systems avail. for this car.

I installed the Green filter and removed the snorkel but my question is this: will this setup be more optimal with or without the airbox lid installed? i'm coming from a corvette z06 so trust me i'm NOT expecting a massive gain in power or anything like that, but i do want the best mix or drive-ability/fuel mileage/ power possible. thanks in advance for the responses.

Oh by the way, vehicle is a 2012 red hatchback se 5 speed.
How do you like the Green Filter so far? I am trying to decide if I should go with the Green Filter or K&N drop-in filter. Can't make up my mind. If anyone else can chime in I would appreciate it. (I apologize, don't mean to hi-jack your tread just want to gather info on the same topic).
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Old 06-02-2013, 02:13 PM   #18
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Are you getting any resonance at part throttle? I took my green filter off cause I couldnt take the noise

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Are you getting any resonance at part throttle? I took my green filter off cause I couldnt take the noise

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When was it more noticeable? Low speed cruising or at highway speeds?
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around 2000 rpm, and again at 3000, whenever u press a bit harder on the gas or going up hills. Its a WRX like warble except not sexy

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