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Old 04-05-2013, 01:39 AM   #21
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its the valves.

not seating on no4
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:36 AM   #22
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Oh Lordy, sounds like the dreaded "dropped valve seat".

Machine shop repairable, PITA for sure....

Had to look back at the start of this, you wrote it up as a "short block" replacement? Does that match the definition of "bottom end only, no head or accessories"?

Fill us in on the details of the original issue if you're up to it...

Right now I'm guessing you'll have to "eat" some labor on the Head R&R, the owner would still be "on the hook" for the machine shop work....

Luck!
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the re-conditioned replacement head has a valve that's not closing...on no4
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:32 PM   #24
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LOL oh boy quite the story LOL


i ordered a re-man head but thy where out of stock and sent the new casting...at the re-man price....thus the start of the problem....

apparently theres a issue with the no4 valve being open do to the maker of the NEW head drilling the seat for the rocker to far down thus the valve is open about 60 thusenths, the fix is some little shims on the rocker point to let the valve seat...


LOL i did'ent have to remove the head LOL live and learn...


started out i was going to ship the head back and they would add the two shims, and ship it back. 2 weeks+ turn around....
i thought about it and asked if they could send the shims they said that would be fine but if i wanted any thing other then slow boat to china you have to pay. other wise they cover the shipping....

so for $25 bucks it will save something like 8 days or so...
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Aahhh - making more sense now, though that's quite the story! Issues you'd NEVER think you'd have to deal with....

Savin' the time is certainly worth it, I would be a bit PO'd they couldn't take the time to check them B4 shipping if they already know of the issue. Only excuse would be stock shipped B4 they learned of the problem, in which case the "fix" should be free.... (yeah, "free" if you send it to them, but NOT free to YOU with the labor to R&R the head involved....)

As I write this, I'm thinking they would say you should have set the clearances B4 installing the head, but most wouldn't do that JUST to avoid the chance of accidentally "dinging" an open valve before it's safely installed.

At least it's a new head, and as you noted, you found the issue without pulling it.

Hope the rest of the "saga" goes smoother....
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no no i could have fixed it with out pulling the head..


i thought it was the block and/or rings and went after it accordingly...
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:11 PM   #27
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yea i want this thing gone...
are old 76 flat bed needs head work, and this is holding up that...

ive got a line of something like 6 autos out side the door.
needing every thing under the sun, from head work to trans work to fuel system work to import JDM trans plants...ECT ECT
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[QUOTE=trooper T/diesel;4671257]

LOL i did'ent have to remove the head LOL live and learn...

OOPS, misread that part, reading too fast I guess...

The best way I can put it now is:

Too bad you got stuck with extra work, not really a "foreseeable" issue in the normal course of things....

Hope the parts arrive quick and do the job!
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You got to post a picture of those shims when you get them. I can't picture where they will put them. And why just #4?

I don't know why they don't install cam seals before they ship. Maybe something to do with liability/damage when installing the cam sprocket. There should have been literature instructing you to install one.

Something else amiss because they should have caught the rocker/tappet gap before shipping. Chiltons says the collapsed lifter gap should be 0.000 to 0.177 inches. Shipped, the lifters are collapsed since they haven't been pumped up yet by oil pressure.
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under the bolt that holds the rocker to the head..
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