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Old 03-11-2013, 05:21 PM   #11
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There is also the layout of the whole center console between the SE and TI, with the addition of the MFT unit too...
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:37 PM   #12
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If you start adding options to a SE you will surpass the price of a TI.

My wife has a TI and I have an ST the TI has a better ride even with the handling pack get the TI
A better ride is quite subjective. A sports car will often have a stiffer more connected suspension.
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Once you have those options about the only things I did not get was moonroof and 18" wheels and I didn't want either of those.

Too many people buy low then wind up paying 2X-5X trying to add back features they opted out of at time of order.

My Ti HB came out to just under $24K when all was said and done and I've been super happy with it. My last fun car was an Acura Integra GSR and although it was a bit faster with 170HP the 2012 FF Ti is way more fun with features my 1998 GSR could only dream of.
I'm driving a '97 GS-R now.

The quote I got 2 days ago on a 2013 Ti hatch w/auto, sunroof, nav and 18" handling package, after dealer discount and Ford incentives was $23,465. This includes all dealer fees, but not taxes & title.

I test drove a Ti with and without the handling package and I liked the road feel and feedback better with it.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:51 PM   #14
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I'm driving a '97 GS-R now.

The quote I got 2 days ago on a 2013 Ti hatch w/auto, sunroof, nav and 18" handling package, after dealer discount and Ford incentives was $23,465. This includes all dealer fees, but not taxes & title.

I test drove a Ti with and without the handling package and I liked the road feel and feedback better with it.
Actually, when I first ordered my Ti I ordered it with the handling package with 18" wheels. But, I then looked up the price for replacement tires and decided and extra $75/tire each time just made no sense so I changed the order to delete it and add NAV instead.

Also, I put quite a few miles of dirt roads on my car and 18" wheels are a bad choice off-road. 17's may not be vastly better than 18's but you do have an extra half inch between the rim and the road/hole/rock.

Lastly, 18's will cost you about 1.5mpg on average so call it a 5% increase in gas costs. So, if you put, say, 15,000 mile on your car each year and average 30mpg you can figure paying another $90+ dollars per year due to lower mileage.

So, if you figure 45,000 miles per set of tires, and with performance summer tires that's probably a stretch, then you'll wind up paying about $300 more for the tires alone then add another $270 or so for the lower mileage and you're looking at ballpark $190/year or $16/month more not counting the cost of the package at purchase.

But, the 18's look pretty cool so there is a trade off.


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Old 03-11-2013, 08:59 PM   #15
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A better ride is quite subjective. A sports car will often have a stiffer more connected suspension.
The Integra GSR I mentioned a few posts back was a pretty good handling car stock, not as good as the 1989 Nissan 240SX, but pretty good. I put some Eibach lowering springs and shocks on it and that made a significant difference in handling but made the ride harsher -- as you might expect.

I am on the road and away from home and my FF about 80% of the time so you'd guess I put only a few thousand miles/year on it -- you'd be wrong. I'm on course to put 18,000 miles on my 2012 by the time it's first anniversary rolls around on 5/25/13. So, I tend to drive longer distances and being comfortable is more important now that ultimate handling -- I only have one car.


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Best advice I can give you is go to a dealership and try out both configurations!

For what it's worth, my SE w/201A and some other add-ons ended up being somewhere in the ballpark of $3.5-4.5k cheaper than an equivalent Ti with the handling package.

Another thing to think about... I personally think the SE 201A gunmetal 17" wheels are the best wheels Ford offers on the Focus, so I was quite happy to skip on the 18's on the Ti!

Last thing I didn't see anyone else mention, but the 18" wheels of the Ti come with extra steering limiters so the turning radius is increased by a couple feet.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:54 AM   #17
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I personally think the SE 201A gunmetal 17" wheels are the best wheels Ford offers on the Focus
I agree, and not just because that's what's on my Focus. One unexpected benefit of these wheels: They're approximately the color of brake dust.
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I never test drove anything else, but chose the Ti because I'm the techie type, plus not so much into raw hp as I am into handling/cornering, so the Ti fit me perfectly. Had mine since August 2011 and have literally love it everytime I drive it. People ask me how I like it and I say, "love it everyday".
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I agree, and not just because that's what's on my Focus. One unexpected benefit of these wheels: They're approximately the color of brake dust.
That is exactly what I thought they were covered with, the first time I saw them. Like an alloy wheel in need of cleaning.
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I never test drove anything else, but chose the Ti because I'm the techie type, plus not so much into raw hp as I am into handling/cornering, so the Ti fit me perfectly. Had mine since August 2011 and have literally love it everytime I drive it. People ask me how I like it and I say, "love it everyday".

Me to, me to...

My first car was a Ford (1971 Mustang Mach I) but it was used and abused so I sold it and got a new (1979) Toyota Corolla and only owned Japanese cars from then until the 2012 FF. I waited until the dust settled on the DCT and MFT issues and ordered the Ti HB with everything I wanted (parking assist with camera and MFT with NAV, Sonic Blue color) and without the things I didn't want (sunroof, winter package).

I love the FF, just love it...


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