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Old 02-28-2013, 03:42 AM   #1
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Focus & C-Max Best Used Car

This info pertains to MK3 Focus & C-Max
The Ford C-MAX has been named the “Car of the Year” in the DEKRA Used Car Report. The prestigious German reliability study also named the C-MAX the most reliable hatchback and the Focus the most reliable compact car. Remember this is a German organization, which would be like reading a Japanese (or Consumer Reports ) report stating that a Ford vehicle is more reliable then a Toyota

Check this link were you can compare vehicle segment used car ratings.
http://www.used-car-report.com/index.php?id=6

What amazes me when you compare the perception difference of the Asian makers vehicles, between Europe and North America.
These stat comparisons show that Honda, Toyota, & Hyundai/Kia have a ways to go to beat Ford, which is upside down when compared to what the so called unbiased Consumer Reports sells.

Docs of the report and how the evaluations are carried out link http://www.used-car-report.com/index.php?id=7



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Old 03-02-2013, 11:10 AM   #2
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This info pertains to MK3 Focus & C-Max
The Ford C-MAX has been named the “Car of the Year” in the DEKRA Used Car Report. The prestigious German reliability study also named the C-MAX the most reliable hatchback and the Focus the most reliable compact car. Remember this is a German organization, which would be like reading a Japanese (or Consumer Reports ) report stating that a Ford vehicle is more reliable then a Toyota

Check this link were you can compare vehicle segment used car ratings.
http://www.used-car-report.com/index.php?id=6

What amazes me when you compare the perception difference of the Asian makers vehicles, between Europe and North America.
These stat comparisons show that Honda, Toyota, & Hyundai/Kia have a ways to go to beat Ford, which is upside down when compared to what the so called unbiased Consumer Reports sells.

Docs of the report and how the evaluations are carried out link http://www.used-car-report.com/index.php?id=7
Part of it is the American consumers perception of Asian car makers being reliable goes back 30+ years. Toyota and Honda did make much more reliable cars in the 80s and 90s than the Big 3 did. The defect rate was much lower, and they, Toyota especially, pioneered lean manufacturing.

Now, Ford's biggest QC issues in the US has been MyFord Touch, transmissions, and new model roll out. Some of these things are US/North America only issues. These days, cars are so reliable that the difference from first place to middle of the pack is 5 issues per 100 cars.

Also, many Americans put 15000 miles a year, or more, on a car. We usually see mechanical defects faster.
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Also, many Americans put 15000 miles a year, or more, on a car. We usually see mechanical defects faster.
I think this is a bit of a myth.
When I look at 3 -4 year old cars in Fords used car for sale here is Estonia , in most cases the average per year is over 15,000 miles (24,000km) on this list of used cars
http://www.auto24.ee/clients/iauto/u...h&language=ENG
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The European auto manufacturers association says the average miles driven in a year in the EU is around 8000. Here in the US its around 15000 miles/yr.
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Also, many Americans put 15000 miles a year, or more, on a car. We usually see mechanical defects faster.
My gf bought a Subaru for work in late 2010 and it crossed over 60k a few months ago... patrolling her sales routes. So you have the folks that leave the average behind by Mid-year, too.

It's good to see that Ford's reputation has gotten to the place it is recently! I remember hearing a few years ago that stock prices hit $2/share (on a payday)... I have regretted not dropping that paycheck on it ever since!
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So far, my C-Max is the most reliable car I have owned.

I need to look more into how this study collected its data. The fact that Audis are listed as very reliable is puzzling to me. As much as I dislike the Toyota Corolla, its difficult for me to accept that it is less reliable than an Audi A3.
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The European auto manufacturers association says the average miles driven in a year in the EU is around 8000. Here in the US its around 15000 miles/yr.
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The average annual distance travelled by a car in Europe is about 22,000 km (approx. 14,000 miles yr)
source - page 30 latest stats from 2008

http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/fi...nd_edition.pdf
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The ACEA's website says 14000 km/yr and thats the data I was using. I guess it may be a typo?
http://www.acea.be/news/news_detail/vehicles_in_use/

If its 22000 km/yr, I stand corrected. I see that in thier report as well. I'm still shocked at the differences in what is considered reliable. It all comes down to what consumers view as a problem.
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I'm still shocked at the differences in what is considered reliable. It all comes down to what consumers view as a problem.
This represents my thoughts for years when I've looked at JD Power surveys. The expectations of some buyers are going to vary from others. I've ridden in cars full of squeaks and rattles no Porsche, Lexus or Mercedes owner would tolerate for a second so it would be in the shop on warranty as a "problem" or unscheduled repair visit. Heck, I've test driven brand new cars with a rattle I would never accept at the five year mark.

I loved both my VW's but issues like that eventually surfaced. Neither Focus has ever made a sound.
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