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View Poll Results: do you wish you had gotten a stick instead of the DCT?
heck yeah. i hate the DCT 17 37.78%
no way. love the DCT. sticks are for kids 28 62.22%
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:13 PM   #51
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Sticks are for kids??

AUTOMATICS are for kids. And lazy people. And wimps ("Waaa! I spend too much time in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day to drive stick. Waaa!"). And people who would rather be doing almost anything other than driving or being engaged therein (you know, like putting on makeup, cradling their Big Gulps and/or Big Macs, texting or blabbing with their cell phones plastered to their ear, NOT checking their mirrors or signaling, or camping out in the left lane and going the same speed as - or slower than - those in the right).

Oh, wait - that's it: Automatics are for AMERICANS.
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horsepower isn't a problem in the u.s. in the countries where it is of course sticks are the norm.
The funny part about this rant is a lot of car companies have only kept manuals for Americans. Most foreigners like the faster shifting DSGs, DCTs, etc.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:35 PM   #52
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^^ And where would that be where "most" foreigners prefer DSGs and the like? I go to Europe nearly every year, and I'd wager that at least 80% of the cars are manuals (although it seems that it's closer to 95%).

Doesn't mean that "most" of them wouldn't "like" faster-shifting automatics as you say, but I'll stick with the observable facts for now, and bless that continent and its inhabitants for maintaining a driver's utopia.
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I like having a manual on my track car, I don't like having one on my daily driver. However, if for whatever I feel like driving a manual for my daily driver that day, I just take the track car into work (it's plated and insured) and set off everyone's car alarms.

I have nothing against manuals though, I just think they are starting to become outdated from a performance perspective. Good double-clutches can shift faster than I ever could and I can't really argue with something that performs better. That's not to say I won't still enjoy outdated technology.
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Can I vote that I'd go back and buy a stick again?
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^^ And where would that be where "most" foreigners prefer DSGs and the like? I go to Europe nearly every year, and I'd wager that at least 80% of the cars are manuals (although it seems that it's closer to 95%).

Doesn't mean that "most" of them wouldn't "like" faster-shifting automatics as you say, but I'll stick with the observable facts for now, and bless that continent and its inhabitants for maintaining a driver's utopia.
It comes from an interview I saw with one of the CEO's of I believe it was BMW (Could be wrong though), who said the only reason manuals in higher end cars even exist anymore is because of the North American market.
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:30 AM   #56
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I like having a manual on my track car, I don't like having one on my daily driver. However, if for whatever I feel like driving a manual for my daily driver that day, I just take the track car into work (it's plated and insured) and set off everyone's car alarms.

I have nothing against manuals though, I just think they are starting to become outdated from a performance perspective. Good double-clutches can shift faster than I ever could and I can't really argue with something that performs better. That's not to say I won't still enjoy outdated technology.
Hmm this statement makes me realize my comparison may have been a bit off Manuals may not be a 480pTV. No.

Perhaps Manuals are an old school game system (NES or Sega), whereas the newer double clutches are the PS4's and XBox 720's.
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Manual shifting is a dying art and even if some autos are quicker shifters I still enjoy rowing through gears.
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Sticks are for kids??

AUTOMATICS are for kids. And lazy people. And wimps ("Waaa! I spend too much time in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day to drive stick. Waaa!"). And people who would rather be doing almost anything other than driving or being engaged therein (you know, like putting on makeup, cradling their Big Gulps and/or Big Macs, texting or blabbing with their cell phones plastered to their ear, NOT checking their mirrors or signaling, or camping out in the left lane and going the same speed as - or slower than - those in the right).

Oh, wait - that's it: Automatics are for AMERICANS.

Nope. Automatics are for people who want automatics. You really think transmission choice gives you some sort of deep insight into the driving style and habits (not to mention nationality) of each driver? Laughable. And more than a little ignorant.

My sports car is a 6 speed. My FF is an automatic. Why? Because it's the car I use to drive the family around. An automatic suits it just fine for that purpose.

As for your opinion on what makes someone an American? Don't be a troll.

To answer the question in this thread, yes, I would still buy an automatic. If it wasn't available in auto, I'd buy a different car. At 20k miles I've had zero issues with my FF transmission (or any other part).




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^^ And where would that be where "most" foreigners prefer DSGs and the like? I go to Europe nearly every year, and I'd wager that at least 80% of the cars are manuals (although it seems that it's closer to 95%).

Doesn't mean that "most" of them wouldn't "like" faster-shifting automatics as you say, but I'll stick with the observable facts for now, and bless that continent and its inhabitants for maintaining a driver's utopia.
Out of curiosity, what percent of that percent are new cars vs older models?

Obviously this statistic of yours is not based on any real information and simply your observations. So, I'm curious what you observed as a percent of new vs old model cars? I guess from there we would need to determine what is considered an old or older car over there.

The point here is that this statistic is not even remotely usable to establish a basis for an argument.
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Now that this thread is totally off topic i will jump in again.
I like the fact a manual is doing exactly what I want when i want. No automatic is ever going to do that. An auto may do something nearly like what you actually want much of the time.. but for me an automatic is annoying as can be.

The only problem I have with a manual is in rush hour freeway where the chain reaction of move ten feet stop etc goes on forever. And only because I worry a little bit about damaging the clutch. (usually i leave a big gap. so I can crawl along evenly instead of stop start stop start...)
The primary issue I can see for folks thinking about a manual is realizing is is a manual ALL THE TIME. i enoy constanly rowing the car. Most folks would get tired of it after a week. It is fun out in the empty country road, but not so much in congested city or freeway traffic.

My favorite bit is the take off from stoplight and run it out to 6,500rpm or so in first.second .. autos will not do that..
And yeah I highjacked your thread.
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