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View Poll Results: do you wish you had gotten a stick instead of the DCT?
heck yeah. i hate the DCT 17 37.78%
no way. love the DCT. sticks are for kids 28 62.22%
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:07 PM   #41
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Sticks are for kids??

AUTOMATICS are for kids. And lazy people. And wimps ("Waaa! I spend too much time in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day to drive stick. Waaa!"). And people who would rather be doing almost anything other than driving or being engaged therein (you know, like putting on makeup, cradling their Big Gulps and/or Big Macs, texting or blabbing with their cell phones plastered to their ear, NOT checking their mirrors or signaling, or camping out in the left lane and going the same speed as - or slower than - those in the right).

Oh, wait - that's it: Automatics are for AMERICANS.
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:46 PM   #42
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There needs to be a third choice. I have a DCT but I don't hate it. I would prefer a manual though.
did you want to straddle the fence? it was meant to be a simple question.
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:48 PM   #43
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Agreed. I like the DCT but I came from a stick and when I bought my Titanium it was not available.
in my fantasy world the stick is available. simple question really.
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:50 PM   #44
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I don't know how to answer - I can't say that I hate my DCT, and I don't believe that sticks are for kids. In a perfect world, I would drive the heck out of a manual: they are way more fun, cheaper to maintain, and it puts me in greater control, but the reality of my daily commute makes an auto a necessity.

If I ever were to buy a second vehicle, it would definitely be a manual.

So, to answer properly - I like my auto, but I will always prefer a manual.

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another fence straddler ? wow i guess many people just buy whatever is available? if the focus came in only stick i would be driving something else, and while the DCT has its idiosyncrasies i really like it.
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Sticks are for kids??

AUTOMATICS are for kids. And lazy people. And wimps ("Waaa! I spend too much time in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day to drive stick. Waaa!"). And people who would rather be doing almost anything other than driving or being engaged therein (you know, like putting on makeup, cradling their Big Gulps and/or Big Macs, texting or blabbing with their cell phones plastered to their ear, NOT checking their mirrors or signaling, or camping out in the left lane and going the same speed as - or slower than - those in the right).

Oh, wait - that's it: Automatics are for AMERICANS.
horsepower isn't a problem in the u.s. in the countries where it is of course sticks are the norm.
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Old 02-23-2013, 03:49 PM   #46
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did you want to straddle the fence? it was meant to be a simple question.
I don't hate the DCT. That being said, a torque-converter automatic would be nice for people who just want something smooth. When my car was at the dealership last summer to essentially replace the entire fuel system (tank and all) they gave me a brand-new Elantra as a loaner. What really impressed me about that car was how smooth and responsive the car seemed compared to my Focus at low speeds. My wife greatly preferred it to our car, and she kept telling me I should have bought that instead. (I disagree, by the way, I love my Focus, Elantra was nice, but too vanilla) I would agree that Ford might have been better off to have the 6F35 available on this car for those who want something more conventional. As I said before, I'd take a stick at this point, but I'm married, and she won't have any of that...
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another fence straddler ? wow i guess many people just buy whatever is available? if the focus came in only stick i would be driving something else, and while the DCT has its idiosyncrasies i really like it.
If the Focus only came with a 6F35 torque converter automatic or the MTX-75 5 speed manual I would go with either the manual or a different car.

I don't like the 6F35 at all, its not a very good transmission. Shift flare, harsh shifts, touchy throttle response, jittery shifts, etc. A constantly

The DCT by contrast generally suits the way I drive better than the 6F35.

I also like that I have manual control over the gearbox and can get it to shift to top gear below 40 mph unlike the 6F35, or the later 12B37 /2013 programming.
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Yes, many high performance cars, sports cars, exotics, etc. no longer offer a manual transmission as they are now considered inefficient and slow.
As they should be, sticks are very honestly just old technology now. I don't think it will be long before no cars offer them anymore. They're slower shifting old tech. Drive a Mercedes or BMW with quick shifting paddles and then drive a stick shift Ford. It's like watching 480P after watching 1080P Blu-Ray
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I have the DCT and don't have any issues with it so far. I wouldn't want a manual for commuting to work like I do, I can only imagine how much of a PITA it would be in stop and go traffic for long periods of time.
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Old 02-23-2013, 06:25 PM   #50
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Its not the only reason, but given my last car with a manual was 18 years old and had essentially the same 5th gear and axle ratios the car would be spinning at a similar engine speed at 70 mph as confirmed by running the gear ratio vs vehicle speed calculations factoring in the rolling radius of the tire and the other factors.

I know the Focus would have been quieter at 3000 rpm having a brand new exhaust system and no exhaust manifold leaks, but since the newer car would weigh in at nearly 500 lbs more the city fuel economy would suffer on the low end every time you have to accelerate that additional mass up to speed.

As nice as the MTX-75 is, and I had driven one around a small steering and handling loop in Dearborn at an SAE conference that was held at the Dearborn Development Center, I didn't want to be running the engine at around 3000 rpm all the time just to do 70 mi/hr on the expressway. The DCT does just over 2600 rpm at 70, and is closer to 3000 rpm at 80 mph. That's the advantage of gearing for you.

Had they kept the axle ratio the same but added a 6th gear with a numerically lower (taller) gear ratio to match the DCT the real world fuel economy could have been even better as well.

The MMT6 in the ST has a taller secondary final drive, but a much shorter 6th gear ratio which means that over all it would still not be as efficient as the DCT or have the engine spinning quite as slowly if applied to the NA GDI engine.

I was kind of conflicted about the DCT vs the 5MT at the time, but so far knock on HSLA (High Strength Low Alloy) steel, the DCT has done well so far over the past 11.xK miles.

The 5MT would have been cheaper on the SE, but it would not have been available due to packaging restrictions the way I wanted without changing the paint color from Frosted Glass to either Ingot Silver or Sterling Grey.

I had been going back and forth between getting a lower level S/SE with a manual, possibly in sedan form, or going for the hatchback and getting it equipped a bit nicer than I was initially expecting to be able to get. However the SEL was only ever available with the manual in Canada.

So I could have gone either way initially, although now I'm not sure I would go for a 5 speed manual at the moment. I do however tend to shift the DCT manually quite frequently just because I can.
Quite a thesis there.
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