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View Poll Results: do you wish you had gotten a stick instead of the DCT?
heck yeah. i hate the DCT 17 37.78%
no way. love the DCT. sticks are for kids 28 62.22%
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:41 PM   #31
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No problems with 2013 auto here. Loving it.
That being said, my Mustang is a 6 speed manual and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:13 PM   #32
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If there is a car that I want and its offered in a stick...it will be a stick no question about it
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:07 PM   #33
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Id stick with the DCT. Have no problems with it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:03 AM   #34
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Well I am taking a Statistics Class in College currently and I feel like an expert in the subject and I just want to say that ur poll suffers from Responce Bias.... (kidding)

Anyway, I just want to give my 2 cents. If I could do it again, I would get a Ford Focus with a traditional Automatic Tranny over the DCT, but a definitely a DCT over a manual. The reason, (if you really give a shat) is that a manual in heavy traffic (which is never lacking in the sunny CA) is a bitch. Manuals are fun, commutes are not. If I were to get a manual, I would get a super high MPG car that gets me a Diamond HOV Lane pass which are worth 10 times their weight in diamond crusted gold. Then I could cruise past all that traffic in my sporty manual (Ford Focus ST) with Kate Upton sitting next to me. [bootyshak
but then again.... who wouldn't want that
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:18 AM   #35
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However had they made a proper 6 gear manual available with a sufficiently tall overdrive ratio it would be tempting.
Seriously, suss, you're the first person I've ever heard of that didn't buy a stick because the top gear ratio wasn't tall enough.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:01 AM   #36
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Considering my reasons for buying a new car at all, I would still choose the DCT. I bought the car because of a new job and extended commute. Atlanta area traffic is horrid. If I were buying a car for weekend or recreational use it would be a traditional manual.

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Forget the Focus, I don't think I could get any new car in manual if a DCT was also offered.

Having sampled DSGs, the new S Tronics and PDK I'd have to be a bit of a moron to not consider those.

More capability than a manual, definitely more than I'd ever use in a daily commute but without the stinking clutch pedal to ruin my morning and evening drives to and from work.
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Yup, I would, I'd just have to learn stick first
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Seriously, suss, you're the first person I've ever heard of that didn't buy a stick because the top gear ratio wasn't tall enough.
Its not the only reason, but given my last car with a manual was 18 years old and had essentially the same 5th gear and axle ratios the car would be spinning at a similar engine speed at 70 mph as confirmed by running the gear ratio vs vehicle speed calculations factoring in the rolling radius of the tire and the other factors.

I know the Focus would have been quieter at 3000 rpm having a brand new exhaust system and no exhaust manifold leaks, but since the newer car would weigh in at nearly 500 lbs more the city fuel economy would suffer on the low end every time you have to accelerate that additional mass up to speed.

As nice as the MTX-75 is, and I had driven one around a small steering and handling loop in Dearborn at an SAE conference that was held at the Dearborn Development Center, I didn't want to be running the engine at around 3000 rpm all the time just to do 70 mi/hr on the expressway. The DCT does just over 2600 rpm at 70, and is closer to 3000 rpm at 80 mph. That's the advantage of gearing for you.

Had they kept the axle ratio the same but added a 6th gear with a numerically lower (taller) gear ratio to match the DCT the real world fuel economy could have been even better as well.

The MMT6 in the ST has a taller secondary final drive, but a much shorter 6th gear ratio which means that over all it would still not be as efficient as the DCT or have the engine spinning quite as slowly if applied to the NA GDI engine.

I was kind of conflicted about the DCT vs the 5MT at the time, but so far knock on HSLA (High Strength Low Alloy) steel, the DCT has done well so far over the past 11.xK miles.

The 5MT would have been cheaper on the SE, but it would not have been available due to packaging restrictions the way I wanted without changing the paint color from Frosted Glass to either Ingot Silver or Sterling Grey.

I had been going back and forth between getting a lower level S/SE with a manual, possibly in sedan form, or going for the hatchback and getting it equipped a bit nicer than I was initially expecting to be able to get. However the SEL was only ever available with the manual in Canada.

So I could have gone either way initially, although now I'm not sure I would go for a 5 speed manual at the moment. I do however tend to shift the DCT manually quite frequently just because I can.
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:59 PM   #40
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It's getting harder to find new cars with manuals
Yes, many high performance cars, sports cars, exotics, etc. no longer offer a manual transmission as they are now considered inefficient and slow.
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