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Old 02-22-2013, 10:09 AM   #21
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Not the Ford DCT. 0-60 times have been shown to be slightly quicker with the manual.
I recall the Ford DCT having software issues.

Anyways, Ford's inline 5 speeds are better than VW's split 6 speeds. VW's O2Q has 1-2 on one shaft and 3-6 on the second and the sift forks are riveted brass. Stupid. I got an O2J inline five for that very reason.
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#1 Diesel costs less than premium, and has significantly less fluctuation in price.
Not where I live, it doesn't.
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Not where I live, it doesn't.
Have you checked at truck stops? They all offer programs around here that will knock off almost a buck off the retail price.
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Have you checked at truck stops? They all offer programs around here that will knock off almost a buck off the retail price.
No truck stops around here.
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Wow.... really nobody here can agree to disagree? You've both argued the same points over and over again. If the rest of the world locked the two of you in a room we'd create the ultimate free energy source! We don't need no cold fusion! We don't need no solar!
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Here's more fuel for the experiment..

VW 261 mpg diesel electric plug-in hybrid

Audi dumps the diesel electric?

Here's some of that Socialism at work- before the depression. So, we had a chance to take the lead for the world, but nobody- not even Ford did it. GM used some of the tech and patents from the project in the Volt, but not the diesel engine. What's better? Plug in versions using this tech. See the VW article above, read between the lines. They started this project after the big three pulled out of the PNGV co-op.

The difference is that these cars were all series hybrids, and Prius Tech (leased by Ford) is parallel hybrid. In a series hybrid, the conventional engine drives a generator, and that provides power for the electric motor. In a parallel hybrid, the electric motor is between the conventional engine and the transmission, and either one can drive the transmission or both.

The Volt is actually a series/parallel hybrid, but the parallel operation occurs as the last option. Series hybrids would be best powered by diesel engines- that's been diesel train tech since before either of us were born. Combine that with Detroit Diesel's 2 stroke process in a smaller engine, and you'd have the ultimate American made and designed hybrid- but no. That would be what a socialist government would do. Instead of giving the manufacturers the choice to quit the program, it would've continued, and we would've been better prepared for the financial crisis, and increased oil exports- for the good of the nation's profit, of course. We don't live in that world. Instead, high profits of SUV sales meant that these forward thinking programs needed to be cancelled. It was dragging down profits. We all know what happened after that.
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I was at the Toronto Auto Show last week, and noticed that we're going to be getting a BMW 3-series with a 4 cyl diesel. I don't know if the USA is getting it, but I'm excited for it... except I can't afford a bimmer. Too much of a price markup.

However, we are also getting the Mazda6 diesel... the instant they put that engine in the CX5, my Focus is getting traded in :p .... unless Ford wises up and announces an Escape diesel, then I'll wait for that instead.
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Yeah, you guys got the Smart For2 with a diesel that we didn't see. I feel sorry for the people I see running around in Smarts. They see all the hoopla about 60+ fuel economy, and then end up with a weak 36 mpg vehicle. A long time ago, someone told me that the reason why all these new technologies were passed over in the USA- or sold out- was because if everyone were to drive high mileage vehicles here- the government would go broke.

The government is already broke. The system is broke. The people are broke. We just can't get any more broke for the sake of almighty oil and screw your buddy if you want to make a profit ideals.

I just hope I have some money one day so I can purchase a wrecked Suzuki and make a 200 hp SmartUki out of it.
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Ford annouced a while back that there would be a 3.2 TDCi and a 2.0 TDCi released in the US.

Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0CRD

Dodge Ram 3.0 CRD

Mazda 6 CTDi I think it is called

Audi, BMW and MB announced at NAIAS that they would all be expanding thier diesel offerings

I said 2 years ago that 2013 would be the year of the diesel flood and so far it looks to be that way.
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Here's more fuel for the experiment..

VW 261 mpg diesel electric plug-in hybrid

Audi dumps the diesel electric?

Here's some of that Socialism at work- before the depression. So, we had a chance to take the lead for the world, but nobody- not even Ford did it. GM used some of the tech and patents from the project in the Volt, but not the diesel engine. What's better? Plug in versions using this tech. See the VW article above, read between the lines. They started this project after the big three pulled out of the PNGV co-op.

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The Volt is actually a series/parallel hybrid, but the parallel operation occurs as the last option. Series hybrids would be best powered by diesel engines- that's been diesel train tech since before either of us were born. Combine that with Detroit Diesel's 2 stroke process in a smaller engine, and you'd have the ultimate American made and designed hybrid- but no. That would be what a socialist government would do. Instead of giving the manufacturers the choice to quit the program, it would've continued, and we would've been better prepared for the financial crisis, and increased oil exports- for the good of the nation's profit, of course. We don't live in that world. Instead, high profits of SUV sales meant that these forward thinking programs needed to be cancelled. It was dragging down profits. We all know what happened after that.

I'm in full agreement with you here save that I think the way every hybrid and electric car built to date is retarded save maybe Audi's R18.

The absolute enemy of all things mechanical is friction. The most energy dense fuel on the planet is diesel. The most effecient mechanism of energy transport is electrcity.
--Take those three premises and you arrive at one simple solution. Get rid of as many friction points as possible and use 2/4 electric motors to drive the car. It's simple really --two motors on the front wheels would act as all forms of acceleration for movement and braking. Use a diesel *generator* just as a power plant. Screw the batteries since they're dead weight that pollutes worse than ULS diesel anyways. --now you have less complication, less failure and levels of efficency nobody has even talked about yet. It's just better.

The biggest problem is that auto engineers are designing electrified cars. What we NEED is electrical engineers designing electric cars --new sets of eyes and new mindsets. It would work, but odds are unless some automaker will spend the cash it'll take socialism into colleges before it happens.
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