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Old 02-22-2013, 10:27 AM   #11
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That's not what the figures quoted on zeroto60times.com show:

2011 Volkswagen Jetta SEL 0-60 mph 8.2 Quarter Mile 16.0
2011 Volkswagen Jetta TDI 0-60 mph 8.7 Quarter Mile 16.4
2011 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 0-60 mph 6.2

TDI is slowest.



2009 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen 2.5L SE (Manual) 0-60 mph 8.3
2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI DSG 0-60 mph 8.3 Quarter Mile 16.2

Tied with the gasser.



2005 Volkswagen Jetta 2.5 (Auto) 0-60 mph 9.3 Quarter Mile 16.7
2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI 0-60 mph 10.2 Quarter Mile 17.4
2006 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.9

TDI is slowest.
The TDI Cup Jetta is 170 BHP and has a smaller final drive. The TDI Bluemotion is 140 BHP and has a larger final drive. A TDI Cup Jetta is essentially a GTD w/ a better snail.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:31 AM   #12
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Chevy says the 0-60 time of the diesel is 8.6 seconds. Zerotosixtytimes.com says the Cruze Eco manual does it in 7.9 seconds. Slower.

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Chevrol...mph-Times.html

Would you REALLY keep a Cruze for 500k miles?
I'd never buy a Chevy in the first place. They're so damn bad that even socialism couldn't save them. Ford makes the only "domestics" worth even considering.
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The TDI Cup Jetta is 170 BHP and has a smaller final drive. The TDI Bluemotion is 140 BHP and has a larger final drive. A TDI Cup Jetta is essentially a GTD w/ a better snail.
Ok, so I guess you're saying you have to shell out another couple grand for a special edition diesel in order for it to be more closely competitive with a gas version? In 2010 the price premium for the TDI Cup over the standard TDI was $2,160. And Car and Driver found it was still slower than the standard TDI, saying:
Equipped with the six-speed manual, our test car achieved 60 mph in 8.8 seconds and covered the quarter-mile in 16.8 seconds at 83 mph. We should note that these numbers are substantially slower than those of our long-term Jetta TDI, which reached 60 in 8.1 seconds and cleared the quarter in 16.4 at 84 mph. That car had the DSG, but we didnít think our shifting was that slow.
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I'd never buy a Chevy in the first place. They're so damn bad that even socialism couldn't save them. Ford makes the only "domestics" worth even considering.
Ahhh, finally something we agree on!

My brother is a Chevy fanboy, I'm a Ford one. It's been easy for me to pick on him lately given the hideous new Silverado (that's already widely panned even before going on sale), the highly uncompetitive new Malibu that is going to have an emergency refresh a la the Civic, the new Corvette's interior that is only slightly better than the outgoing '90s era version... The list goes on.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:40 AM   #15
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Yeah but what does he set the cruise control at? That makes a huge difference. My '12 Focus should exceed 45mpg pure highway if I set the cruise control at 55mph.

One couple got 84mpg on a long highway trip in a Passat TDI. But they also got 65mpg in a Cruze Eco. Both gas and diesel can far exceed expectations if driven right. In that scenario the Cruze Eco would probably've been the overall more economical choice, given the price premium for diesel engines and fuel.
#1 Diesel costs less than premium, and has significantly less fluctuation in price.

#2 That passat will be reliable. A Cruze will be as reliable as GM is at paying back American Taxpayers... --a Fiesta Ecoboost will probably be more reliable, but Ford really should bring their 1.0 turbo diesel Fiesta here. It's stupid efficient.

#3 I actually get better milage driving slightly more agressively. I've got a modified VW 2.5L, and it's kinda wackey. 38MPG when I keep the RPMs in the 2.2K range, but only 32MPG if I'm below that. I'm using it as an excuse to do a 3.94 ring and pinion.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:49 AM   #16
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Ok, so I guess you're saying you have to shell out another couple grand for a special edition diesel in order for it to be more closely competitive with a gas version? In 2010 the price premium for the TDI Cup over the standard TDI was $2,160. And Car and Driver found it was still slower than the standard TDI, saying:
Equipped with the six-speed manual, our test car achieved 60 mph in 8.8 seconds and covered the quarter-mile in 16.8 seconds at 83 mph. We should note that these numbers are substantially slower than those of our long-term Jetta TDI, which reached 60 in 8.1 seconds and cleared the quarter in 16.4 at 84 mph. That car had the DSG, but we didnít think our shifting was that slow.
#1 DSGs outshift humans now.

#2 Their long term TDI was broken in.

#3 Of course a special edition costs more. It's got a better snail and better trim. It'll be worth it when my wife is still driving it 15 years from now. She's kept her current car for 15 years, and she'll keep this one for probably just as long.
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#1 Diesel costs less than premium, and has significantly less fluctuation in price.

#2 That passat will be reliable. A Cruze will be as reliable as GM is at paying back American Taxpayers... --a Fiesta Ecoboost will probably be more reliable, but Ford really should bring their 1.0 turbo diesel Fiesta here. It's stupid efficient.

#3 I actually get better milage driving slightly more agressively. I've got a modified VW 2.5L, and it's kinda wackey. 38MPG when I keep the RPMs in the 2.2K range, but only 32MPG if I'm below that. I'm using it as an excuse to do a 3.94 ring and pinion.
#1 So what? Today's highly efficient 4-bangers generally don't require premium.

#2 If you're suggesting the Jetta TDI will by extension also be more reliable, wrong. Consumer reports gives the Jetta TDI the same predicted reliability rating (and same overall score) as the Cruze. Why? Probably the chronic TDI fuel pump problem that costs $10 grand to fix. (They give a "poor" rating for the "fuel system.")

#3 Great. Not sure of your point though.
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Ahhh, finally something we agree on!

My brother is a Chevy fanboy, I'm a Ford one. It's been easy for me to pick on him lately given the hideous new Silverado (that's already widely panned even before going on sale), the highly uncompetitive new Malibu that is going to have an emergency refresh a la the Civic, the new Corvette's interior that is only slightly better than the outgoing '90s era version... The list goes on.
I'll drive Ford Trucks until the day I die!

I've got a 2000 F250 with 300K miles on that International diesel motor, and it's going to last at least another 300K! There's just nothing like a 5 speed diesel Ford truck!
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#1 DSGs outshift humans now.
Not the Ford DCT. 0-60 times have been shown to be slightly quicker with the manual.
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#1 So what? Today's highly efficient 4-bangers generally don't require premium.

#2 If you're suggesting the Jetta TDI will by extension also be more reliable, wrong. Consumer reports gives the Jetta TDI the same predicted reliability rating (and same overall score) as the Cruze. Why? Probably the chronic TDI fuel pump problem that costs $10 grand to fix. (They give a "poor" rating for the "fuel system.")

#3 Great. Not sure of your point though.
#1 Any modern car with a modern ECU runs better with premium. Log it with an OBDII reader --you'll see what I'm talking about.

#2 And VW has the worst customer service for warrenties EVER! You have not idea how much I hate them ethically. My next small car will probably be a Volvo hatch or --if Ford wises up a Ford R door.

Anyways, the fuel pump has a warrenty extension. My mother in law had a cylender fail from that fuel pump going, and they replaced it free of charge after some hassle.

#3 No point. Just fun.
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