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Old 02-16-2013, 08:04 PM   #21
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Generally, when they say they applied a "new" tsb, they're usually just re-installing the tsb from last spring. It usually helps for a short time (2-4 weeks, I'd say) but once the computer re-learns driving habits it's back to the crap.
My 1st 2012 focus that was bought back by the dealer use to drive great till the dealer did the update. My current focus drives great I didn't want any update done. The only drawback is that it does roll back after 3sec.
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:55 PM   #22
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The technician told me that the TSB computer update was not the same thing as resetting the driving habits. I asked.
@powermax: was your 1st 2012 focus a lemon or what?
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:05 PM   #23
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The technician told me that the TSB computer update was not the same thing as resetting the driving habits. I asked.
@powermax: was your 1st 2012 focus a lemon or what?
This is the thread of the whole story. http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304642

The problem with the focus is not the car but the Dealers. (At least in my case)
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so pretty much here is the deal. The forum people are saying don't trust the dealers. the technicians from Ford dealerships are saying don't trust people on the forums.

I think the choice is... mostly obvious. So far no problems.
In the end.. it's still a new model car. And it's going to have glitches. Even Bentlys have glitches. if they can fix them with computer updates then that is awesome. lets give Ford some time to work out the bugs. We paid the price by buying new cars ;)
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There are a bunch of stealth transmission updates that don't get TSB's or FSA's, and my dealer always just updates to the latest version when I complain about any problems and it never fixes any of them. There is a real population of real focuses with actual hardware issues and it sucks when the dealers rely on software to fix them.
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Well like I said, for now the update helped a lot. If I start noticing symptoms again, I will let FF as well as Ford know. The debate continues :)
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There are a bunch of stealth transmission updates that don't get TSB's or FSA's, and my dealer always just updates to the latest version when I complain about any problems and it never fixes any of them. There is a real population of real focuses with actual hardware issues and it sucks when the dealers rely on software to fix them.
That's not strictly true though as there would have been some notice of the software changes posted for the dealers to find them within the dealer connection page, however from what I've heard there has been no further revisions to the fsa 12b37 which indicates that there should not be any further software changes and they are likely only re-installing the same software over and over again. Which may seem to help at first as it wipes a portion of the memory, but it would not fix the underlying issues as those who have problems that keep coming back after a reflash can attest to.
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...The only drawback is that it does roll back after 3sec.
Like it's designed to do?

Activating HSA
1. Press the brake pedal to bring the vehicle to a complete standstill. Keep the brake pedal pressed.
2. If the sensors detect that the vehicle is on a slope, the HSA system will be activated automatically in D (Drive) uphill or R (Reverse) downhill.
3. When you remove your foot from the brake pedal, the vehicle will remain on the slope without rolling away for approximately two to three seconds. This hold time will automatically be extended if you are in the process of driving off.
WARNING: HSA does not replace the parking brake. When you
leave the vehicle, always apply the parking brake and select P (Park).
WARNING: You must remain in the vehicle once you have activated HSA.
WARNING: During all times you are responsible for controlling
the vehicle, supervising the HSA system and intervening, if required.
4. Drive off in the normal manner. The brakes will be released automatically.
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Like it's designed to do?

Activating HSA
1. Press the brake pedal to bring the vehicle to a complete standstill. Keep the brake pedal pressed.
2. If the sensors detect that the vehicle is on a slope, the HSA system will be activated automatically in D (Drive) uphill or R (Reverse) downhill.
3. When you remove your foot from the brake pedal, the vehicle will remain on the slope without rolling away for approximately two to three seconds. This hold time will automatically be extended if you are in the process of driving off.
WARNING: HSA does not replace the parking brake. When you
leave the vehicle, always apply the parking brake and select P (Park).
WARNING: You must remain in the vehicle once you have activated HSA.
WARNING: During all times you are responsible for controlling
the vehicle, supervising the HSA system and intervening, if required.
4. Drive off in the normal manner. The brakes will be released automatically.
On my first focus after the TCM/PCM update and all the 2013s that I drove it holds on the brakes for a few secs and than it holds on the clutch for some more time. Mine holds for 3 secs on the brakes and than suddenly just rolls back completely with out any clutch holding.

2012 Ford FOCUS antilock control unit/module service bulletin (Bulletin CSP-12B37)

Bulletin Date: May. 3, 2012
Component: Antilock control unit/module
Bulletin Summary: Ford: see document search button for owner letter. Vehicle experience roll back when transitioning to accelerator pedal from brake pedal while on incline. Vehicles covered in this TSB: • 2012 Ford Focus
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On my first focus after the TCM/PCM update and all the 2013s that I drove it holds on the brakes for a few secs and than it holds on the clutch for some more time. Mine holds for 3 secs on the brakes and than suddenly just rolls back completely with out any clutch holding.

2012 Ford FOCUS antilock control unit/module service bulletin (Bulletin CSP-12B37)

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Bulletin Summary: Ford: see document search button for owner letter. Vehicle experience roll back when transitioning to accelerator pedal from brake pedal while on incline. Vehicles covered in this TSB: 2012 Ford Focus
If you do not drive off within 3 seconds you want the car to either keep holding the brakes or slip the clutch? I can't see this as being an issue as long as you start to move within 3 seconds or re-depress the brake pedal to hold the car stationary.
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