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Old 02-14-2013, 04:35 PM   #11
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Don't know if any of you pay attention to the CBOT or New York Harbor wholesale prices but if you look today at the May 13 contracts you will see ethanol at $2.34 a gallon and RBOB gasoline at $3.13. The ethanol industry can't help it that the middlemen and retailers are ripping the public off.
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So hybrids and electric cars make more sense if you don't care about power or fuel economy, and want to stick it to the guys in suits in the Middle East. I want great handling first and MPGs second. Looks like if I lived in an E85 area I'd have to buy a supercharger for my Focus. Great compromise.
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As you all know (and i forgot to mention in my O.p.) ethanol has far fewer BTUs of power per unit than gasoline hence the drastic drops in mileage. IMO, i don't feel ethanol is a viable alternative to reg. gasoline considering all the fossil fuel it takes to grow and transport ethanol (which can't be transported by pipeline due to corrosiveness) to me it just doesn't make sense.. I say grow food to feed people not vehicles.
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84Camaro, here is a link to a map of E85 stations. Looks like 7 or so around Augusta.

http://e85prices.com/e85map.php
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As you all know (and i forgot to mention in my O.p.) ethanol has far fewer BTUs of power per unit than gasoline hence the drastic drops in mileage. IMO, i don't feel ethanol is a viable alternative to reg. gasoline considering all the fossil fuel it takes to grow and transport ethanol (which can't be transported by pipeline due to corrosiveness) to me it just doesn't make sense.. I say grow food to feed people not vehicles.
Amen. All mandates and quotas need to be eliminated. E10 just needs to go away, leave E85 out there for those who think it is some how a viable alternative, and make the ethanol industry prove it is without government mandates and or subsidies. If the producers can get it to market at a competitive price for it's reduced MPG and consumers buy it, great. If they all go out of business, well that is the free market economy at work.
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Amen. All mandates and quotas need to be eliminated. E10 just needs to go away, leave E85 out there for those who think it is some how a viable alternative, and make the ethanol industry prove it is without government mandates and or subsidies. If the producers can get it to market at a competitive price for it's reduced MPG and consumers buy it, great. If they all go out of business, well that is the free market economy at work.
i agree 100%
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You guys need to read this and do what you can to stop oil subsidies also. Some are listed at the end.
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U.S. Representative Mike Pompeo (R-Kan) has introduced a bill dubbed the “Energy Freedom and Economic Prosperity Act.” The bill eliminates tax credits for new industries attempting to compete with petroleum while maintaining billions in taxpayer subsidies for Big Oil. Furthermore, the bill would immediately eliminate every tax credit for alternatives to petroleum, including cellulosic ethanol, biodiesel and wind. Yet the bill only eliminates two petroleum tax credits (marginal well incentives and enhanced oil recovery credits) that only go into effect when crude oil prices are well below current levels. Ironically, despite the immediate elimination of all things alternative, the oil tax subsidies would not be eliminated until the end of 2014.

“Rep. Pompeo’s bill ought to be named the ‘Petroleum Monopoly and Big Oil Prosperity Act,’” said Monte Shaw, executive director of the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association (IRFA). It’s hard to take seriously the Congressman’s comment that we can’t afford ‘taxpayer-backed subsidies to companies that don’t need them’ when his bill does not eliminate a single oil subsidy currently in use. Rather the bill leaves intact oil subsidies that date back literally 100 years for the most profitable industry in the history of the world. If the question is, ‘When can Big Oil stand on its own two feet without a taxpayer crutch?’ then Rep. Pompeo’s answer is apparently ‘not yet.’”

If the bill were to be passed as is, the petroleum tax subsidies that currently cost taxpayers billions each year including:

Percentage depletion allowance
Intangible drilling costs expensing
Deduction for tertiary injectants
Exception from passive loss limitations for oil and gas
Oil and gas excess percentage over cost depletion
“This bill simply tilts government policy even further in favor of petroleum,” continued Shaw.
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