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Old 04-19-2013, 09:41 AM   #151
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Would love to see this happen, but Ford's biggest mistake will be building this as a 5 door only. I refuse to buy a performance car with more than two doors on the side.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:30 AM   #152
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Depends on the 4/5 door as some sedans blow the 2 doors off of some coupes but I know how you feel but if the RS came with only FWD I'd pass.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:32 AM   #153
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^^ It's going to be 5 door and FWD if they make it. If it were AWD it'd cost $50k+ as the platform isn't built to handle AWD.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:37 AM   #154
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That's too bad since I can't see paying over $30k for a fwd and 300+hp. The ST has torque steer issues and gets jumpy on uneven pavement so all that would be amplified. The base WRX already has a full second in the 1/4 on the ST with only about 10 more ponies and the RS would have to at least give the STI a run to get americans to shell out alot of money for a pricey Focus since it's still an econobox at heart. I know it's not all about the drag race but it's a number we all can relate other cars to and the Subis aren't slouches on a road course either.
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That's too bad since I can't see paying over $30k for a fwd and 300+hp. The ST has torque steer issues and gets jumpy on uneven pavement so all that would be amplified. The base WRX already has a full second in the 1/4 on the ST with only about 10 more ponies and the RS would have to at least give the STI a run to get americans to shell out alot of money for a pricey Focus since it's still an econobox at heart. I know it's not all about the drag race but it's a number we all can relate other cars to and the Subis aren't slouches on a road course either.
1. The ST has no mechanical limited-slip, and no revo knuckle. (Both the RS should have, as I can't see Ford going backwards.)

2. The WRX is quicker at 0-60 and 1/4 miles based on a very nasty launch, which will significantly shorten the life of your car. AWD is nice, it also gets SUV mileage. (same ratings as a Ford Edge AWD 3.5L)

3. Almost every comparison test of the WRX, and the ST, the ST get's chosen. More neutral, just as fun, and a far, far, far better interior/tech. (Ever listened to the stereo in a WRX or STi? Sounds like a mid 90s GM car.)
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:05 AM   #156
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As much as I think it would be cool to see an AWD RS (I know it won't happen), FWD can certainly be fast and practical. Case in point is the fast yet still craptacular turbo Cobalt SS.

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89 3:13.0 CHEVROLET COBALT SS LL1 11/08
90 3:13.2 BMW 335i LL2 2/13
91 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10
92 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
93 3:13.5 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION IX MR LL1 11/06
94 3:13.7 BMW 135i COUPE LL2 11/08
95 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
96 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
97 3:13.8 BMW 335is LL2 2/12
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99 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
100 3:14.0 VOLKSWAGEN GOLF R LL2 2/12
etc. etc.

I believe the SS was faster around the 'Ring than the last RS as well. The main lingering problems of FWD are of course torque steer and standstill acceleration. The ST does a decent job of handling torque steer, and it can be assumed that the RS will do even better with Revoknuckle. Understeer is no longer a problem with FWD, as demonstrated by the ST.

Oh, and the RS is still not confirmed for US release...
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1. The ST has no mechanical limited-slip, and no revo knuckle. (Both the RS should have, as I can't see Ford going backwards.)

2. The WRX is quicker at 0-60 and 1/4 miles based on a very nasty launch, which will significantly shorten the life of your car. AWD is nice, it also gets SUV mileage. (same ratings as a Ford Edge AWD 3.5L)

3. Almost every comparison test of the WRX, and the ST, the ST get's chosen. More neutral, just as fun, and a far, far, far better interior/tech. (Ever listened to the stereo in a WRX or STi? Sounds like a mid 90s GM car.)
1)Yes,Ford should've stuck an LSD in there.

2)I don't know about shortening the life of the car but definetly the clutch and the STI's tranny is pretty stout up to 500hp. I get 21 around town and 28 on the hwy on longer road trips if I take it easy but I bought the Focus to cover the gas mileage issue so not a concern when I'm mashing the skinny pedal.

3)oh yeah,the Subi's interior is very dated and the stereo sucks. I do prefer the looks of the ST and fun to drive is in the eye of the beholder and I've owned a 400+ hp 1st gen AWD Eclipse and now my slightly tuned STI and both are a hoot to shoot through corners but the ST seems to fit that bill too.

The STI out techs the ST IMO with just the tranny but I also do get a shift ligth and adjustable shift points from the showroom and a stage 1 reflash really gave it a shot in the arm to the tune of nearly 350hp at the crank.
More boost at the turn of a knob and adjustable AWD bias is pretty sweet.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:35 PM   #158
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you guys whining that you won't buy the RS if it is only FWD wouldn't be buying it if it were AWD either, lets be honest. FWD technology has come a LONG way in the last 5yrs, and Ford is at the top of their game with it. The last RS was nothing short of totally impressive for a FWD car and if I'm not mistaken performed better than a comparable STi when tested by Car & Driver. Revoknuckle and a LSD will give the RS all sorts of avantages over the current Focus ST.....couple that with a bunch more power, and I really think it will be beating up on the "AWD giants", all with way more style and personality.

In summation: IF the focus RS is released here, it IS going to be a fantastic car.....and anyone who blatently refuses to drive/buy it solely because it "doesn't have AWD like the competition" would be an idiot for ignoring it.
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I do think it will be an awesome car but I just don't see it being a reality on these shores for the money they'll ask for one. Style and personality is all subjective and one's opinion and we do get a restyled WRX/STI next year with ever more ponies and the Subi aftermarket is quite plentiful. Next year we also get a 275hp BRZ in STI trim.

I won't ignore an RS if it comes out but here in Colorado AWD is the driveline of choice and having all season performance was a big deal for me but I like a huge variety of cars no matter where the power is being put down.
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If it comes in somewhere in between STi/Evo and Golf R money, it'll sell.
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