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Old 02-10-2013, 02:53 PM   #121
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A quick google shows that the Polo in the video is equipped with the NEW VW dry clutch 7 speed which seems to be the transmission having the most problems. It seems to be mostly limited to the cars with the 1.2L and 1.4L engines as well

The 6-Speed BorgWarner unit that is still used in most of the US VW cars and still a lot of vehicles in other countries seems to be pretty solid from what the internets says some early ones did have some issues that were resolved rather quickly though.

Not a VW expert though but yes I agree the DCT has quirks I guess some more so than others
Yes most recent VW DCT problems if googled are the dry clutch, but the VW wet clutch has its haters as well. And I think if you were to ask some owners of VW's wet clutch issues, they would disagree that VW resolved the issues quickly. The big issue for VW is that its DCT is widespread through its family of brands, eg-Skoda, Audi, Seat etc.

For sure the wet clutch is more robust then the dry clutch, with the dry clutch weakness being heat.

I have the Powershift DCT in my Focus 1.6 125hp Focus Titanium wagon, and have not experienced any of the odd behaviors some are experiencing in North America.
My gut feeling is that the North American problems might have to do with the programming to the Powershift to meet the different emissions and meeting Ford N.A's fuel economy goals with the 2.0l Focus.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:03 PM   #122
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Yes most recent VW DCT problems if googled are the dry clutch, but the VW wet clutch has its haters as well. And I think if you were to ask some owners of VW's wet clutch issues, they would disagree that VW resolved the issues quickly. The big issue for VW is that its DCT is widespread through its family of brands, eg-Skoda, Audi, Seat etc.

For sure the wet clutch is more robust then the dry clutch, with the dry clutch weakness being heat.

I have the Powershift DCT in my Focus 1.6 125hp Focus Titanium wagon, and have not experienced any of the odd behaviors some are experiencing in North America.
My gut feeling is that the North American problems might have to do with the programming to the Powershift to meet the different emissions and meeting Ford N.A's fuel economy goals with the 2.0l Focus.
I aslo have that feeling about the N.A. Focus! While doing research I found that the other countries that have the DCT do not really have as many problems, which is further aided by your experience. I think the transmission is shifting WAY to low in the rpm range for the little 2.0 to stay in the power band.

At least VW fixed the issues for most costumers though. Ford N.A. seems to go with the "if we tell em its not broken, we dont have to fix it" way of things.
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I am not sure why you think VW has fixed their issues, but if that is your perception, VW appreciates it I'am sure.
VW is approaching their problems with the dry clutch in China the same way Ford is in North America, eg-software updates etc, with much the same hit and miss results.
And VW is using the same attitude with its customers.
Here is the statement to its Chinese DSG customers "The DSG technology has proven to be mature in Germany and other countries," the statement starts, adding that, "the issues that [are occurring] in China are mainly due to domestic driving habits."

Hows that for attitude eh?
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I definitely did not state that VW fixed the issues with the 7 speed which you are referring i was referring to the issues with the 6 speed which is what most of the N.A. VW cars use ! Jeez no need to be like that I was just trying to have a conversation.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:47 PM   #125
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I don't mean to sound like a "fanboy" either. I really don't like a lot about the VWs like I said. It just gets annoying to have people in drive thru windows ask you "OMG did you scrape your car????" because your transmission sounds like marbles in a blender!

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a number of you have mentioned in your postings that Ford (among others) doesn't wish to or won't take responsibility for the different problems w/ the DCT. I have to mention that this, if so, is not new.

In the owner's manual for the 1918 cadillac type 57 victoria it states explicitly and clearly that problems a driver/owner may have with this vehicle are fully the fault of the owner/driver and if the owner/driver is having problems it is because he does not know how to drive and/or maintain the car. (i paraphrased).

So the more things change the more they remain the same, alas
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a number of you have mentioned in your postings that Ford (among others) doesn't wish to or won't take responsibility for the different problems w/ the DCT. I have to mention that this, if so, is not new.

In the owner's manual for the 1918 cadillac type 57 victoria it states explicitly and clearly that problems a driver/owner may have with this vehicle are fully the fault of the owner/driver and if the owner/driver is having problems it is because he does not know how to drive and/or maintain the car. (i paraphrased).

So the more things change the more they remain the same, alas
Thats actually totally understandable for that era car I mean you the driver essentially were the computer that controlled everything so if there were a drivability issue it was most likely you doing something wrong
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Thats actually totally understandable for that era car I mean you the driver essentially were the computer that controlled everything so if there were a drivability issue it was most likely you doing something wrong
I think you missed the point of my post and of the verbage in the owner's manual....
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I think you missed the point of my post and of the verbage in the owner's manual....
Well don't I feel like an ass :/ I re read your post and got what you said now.

So I guess the point is that manufactures have been doing this type stuff for a long time

Sorry about that bud :) disregard my earlier post :/
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I saw it Cory! Still in contact with Sandra. Thanks
Thatís good, snow12; please keep me in the loop.

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...I drive in bumper to bumper traffic almost every day and have luckily not experienced this yet...
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...Mine shifts smoothly and makes no grinding noises...
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...im lucky iv'e not had any problems w/ the DCT in my focus as it performs smoothly and quietly...
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...I have the Powershift DCT in my Focus 1.6 125hp Focus Titanium wagon, and have not experienced any of the odd behaviors some are experiencing in North America...
Some Guy From NY, suss6052, cobie56, & GhiaFan,

It puts me in a good mood to see all the positive experiences; thanks for sharing.

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