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Old 01-22-2013, 03:57 PM   #21
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ST (or any Focus) is not about 1/4 miles, isn't that what Mustang like cars are for?
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:01 PM   #22
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The primary difference between the 2012 SE i now own and a ST would be speeding tickets, license points lost, and lawyers once my points were going to cause me to loose my driving license.

I had all that when I drove my Contour SVT....
Now I drive a sensible car and try hard to get good MPGs and drive the speed limit..
Unlike when I owned the SVT Contour and usually drove twenty over the speed limit with plenty of jumps up over 120... Just touch the gas and I would be going twenty faster...
The SVT Contour was a lot of fun...
I bet the ST is too... I am getting to old to be fooling around.
Don't say that because that's what keeps us young. Gotta play even if it's just a little.
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Actually just general accleration is increased alot and the tourque curve has changed under boost. Like I said it's personality and you don't seem to fit the ST's target buyer if you think like that.
It depends on your driving style. Acceleration is greater only when your right foot gets heavy. I believe a lot of people would/could accelerate much faster than they do (on average) if gasoline was cheaper.

With any turbo car that I've owned, it wouldn't be unusual for me to drive from my home to my office (surface streets and freeways) without seeing any boost at all. In general, I wouldn't drive a Ti or ST much differently most of the time.


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It's also more than HP since there's handling and braking to be considered.
Yes, handling/good balance is the strong point of the ST. That almost never seems to be mentioned.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:07 PM   #24
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ST (or any Focus) is not about 1/4 miles, isn't that what Mustang like cars are for?
Thank you.

Unforunately, I believe most Americans miss the point of the ST completely.
Ford (in the U.S.) recognizes that and thus markets the ST to young (inexperienced) drivers who care primarily about straight line performance.
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No,it's not about 1/4 mile times but it is a nice equal test you can compare cars based on power but the ST is more about handling but still needs a proper LSD to improve that.
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This discussion really takes me back to when Road & Track first featured the SVO Mustang. I'll never forget reading that the SVO wasn't about stoplight brawls, it was about the driving experience. They referred to it as much more a 'driver's car' than the 5.0. and if you're looking to kill everyone at every intersection, you'd be missing the point of the car.

I think the ST came from the same minds. It's quick, but there's more to it than beating everyone else to the next stoplight.
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I'm more apt to use maximum acceleration then maximum handling on the street. I've seen to many crashes involving drivers that lost control, over corrected and boom. A pothole or a little gravel (or that one person that likes pulling out into traffic as I round the bend)can turn that hero cornering maneuver into a catastrophe in no time.
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This discussion really takes me back to when Road & Track first featured the SVO Mustang. I'll never forget reading that the SVO wasn't about stoplight brawls, it was about the driving experience. They referred to it as much more a 'driver's car' than the 5.0. and if you're looking to kill everyone at every intersection, you'd be missing the point of the car.

I think the ST came from the same minds. It's quick, but there's more to it than beating everyone else to the next stoplight.
I believe Ford's goal was to build a better GTI. Car mags love the GTI not for the numbers but for the balance and the way it "feels".

I almost bought a SVO in '84 but I didn't like the dealer markup. I ended up buying a GT Turbo and (thanks to my buddy in the parts dept.) getting a lot of SVO parts for a good price.
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I was 14 when the SVO hit, so you can imagine the dreams I had about turning 16. I SO wanted that to be my first car. Loved it so much better than the GT, although the '84 GT Turbo was pretty interesting too. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a '79 Pace Car either.

I went to high school with a guy that had a turbo hatchback ('81? ..not sure) that wasn't a GT. It was black and had the huge cobra emblem on the hood, along with the fake scoop, "Cobra" on the trailing edges of the doors, but no spoiler or air dam. He was always leaving rubber in the high school parking lot with it. Turbo Cobra? Never really asked, but a fun car. http://www.shnack.com/history/1981/
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I have had a turbo 4cyl compact as a commuter car continuously since 1985. The ST replaces a 03 PT Cruiser GT turbo.

I enjoy the combination of performance and economy a car like this provides. The ST is an effortless car to drive, the torque is available from idle to redline, it is very quiet, smooth and the handling is confidence inspiring. The best feature over the PT it replaces is how well it deals with rough pavement. So far I have been averaging 28.5 to 29.5 mpg on my 48 mile round trip commute (on suburban roads) and have gotten as high as 32.2 by being as conservative as possible.

My wife has a 12 SEL Focus that we purchased in June 11. Most of what I like about the ST I like about the SEL, it's just the SEL just is not as entertaining to drive because of the power. The price of the ST1 I have was only a few hundred more than the SEL and the only option I miss from the SEL is the dual zone temp control. The difference in economy is about 5-6 mpg which is I consider a fair trade for the performance.
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