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Old 01-20-2013, 04:04 PM   #11
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all i can say is do your homework.

too many times i have seen on the forum people who jump into ambitious projects with out thinking all the parts and all the costs through. there should be decent amounts of info on the forums to search through.
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:06 PM   #12
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Just want to get your thoughts on this topic. I kind of want to go turbo but then yet again so many of us do turbo setups so I started thinking of doing a all motor build and just run a nitrous kit only when I am at the track. How much power do you think I can get out of the 2.0 Dtec? If I do the all motor setup the car would be more of a sleeper which I like since it's a sedan that I have. Also, has anyone heard of anyone doing this before to their Dtec?
1. A 200+hp N/A focus will NOT be a sleeper because it will be loud as shit.
2. A built N/A feels and drives completely different than a F/I
3. N/A will usually cost you twice as much to go equally as fast as F/I

There is a reason everyone goes F/I.
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:07 PM   #13
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If I want to go fast cheap I prefer to start with a factory turbo car. My DSM responded so well to everything I threw at it and never threw a CEL God bless OBD1.

Intake and exhaust netted me a half second quicker in the 1/4 and then a manual boost controller set about 5 psi above stock dropped another second (mid 13s) and then promptly needed a real clutch (ACT2600 did the trick) which is where it started getting a little expensive. A little hard piping,more fuel,air flow convertor (Apex S-AFC) and a couple sizes larger turbo and I was able to take down a last gen Viper with a little effort and never touched the engine. I was making about 400 at the crank for little more than $4000 and that was starting with a turbo car.
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:13 PM   #14
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Unfortunately in a small displacement 4 cylinder, for the same amount of money spent the turbo version will always be more powerful than the NA version. Slower or quicker? It depends on what its built for but as far as streetable power and driveability, the turbo version will outshine the NA version by far.

Just look at the dyno sheets of NA cars vs turbo cars. While I understand its not all about peak power the turbo cars almost always have a much broader torque curve that comes on much earlier than the peaky power of an all out NA build.

Cost is another factor. NA is just plain way more expensive if your trying to achieve high power levels.
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a 200whp N/A motor would be a lot of fun. If thats what you want just do it, its been done before
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I have done all the bolt-ons..
even swapped out the 2.0L for a 2.3L and yes, N/A is loud.. not a sleeper
No CAT, with Header is LOUD... no cat = MAYBE 3 to 5 HP??
CAI = EVEN LOUDER = NOT SLEEPER

You want a sleeper in a Focus, you need NOS....

You want a Champ, go toe to toe with other cars.. turbo..

you want to Dump money into a car with a N/A setup.. and get near 200whp?? Plan loud, and $$$ and Start stripping out the cars weight...

At that point, its no longer a Daily Driver... Infact... my Plate has a Surround around it... it says... " I know, I know Licence and Registration"

I get more tickets for getting Police attention for the noise then I do in my Mustang GT going twice as fast...


CAMs would be another what? $500 to $1500 for what... 5 to 20 HP and STILL hardly 200... not worth it.. Just got turbo from the get go or NOS her up...
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:38 AM   #17
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NA is louder than turbo, much louder.
Mine is NA, zx4 2006 2.0 with cams, cosworth IM, CAI, OBX header, full 2.5" exhaust with three magnaflows and it's still loud. It would be a sleeper if wasn't loud. It's tuned by Tom with SCT, rev up to 7800rpm.

2 years with this setup. Now I'm going for turbo.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:59 AM   #18
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My Fusion with a turbo is much quieter than my NA Focus. Its like a Cadillac when compared to the Focus in terms of noise.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:47 AM   #19
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If I decide to go N/A I will have a nitrous setup for track purposes only. All I want is to have fun with the car and I think I will have more fun going N/A over the turbo. I really don't mind if its loud. The car is loud as shit as it sits now. I am running full straight pipe on the factory exhuast manifold with no resonator. Also if I go N/A I know that these Honda guys will try and race me and they will think their cars are faster when inthe end mine will be. And going all motor with a bottle gives me more options, iI can either race against just other all motor cars or against turbo cars and ifi race against turbo cars that's when I turn on the bottle. Besides I like the sound of a fully built N/A car, you just hear the raw power they put out.
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There's a lot of quick all motor Hondas out there too. I ran with a few back in the day but most were what I still considered slow for a street car.

I also had a '00 Intergra Type R that was just about as quick as an '13 Focus ST in the 1/4 in stock trim but it needed more power so I went with a JRSC to start and it got expensive for what netted me only about a 45hp increase but it did make the R a little more fun to drive and ran an honest 13 second 1/4.

650 crankhorse between the two and to see even close to that all motor would cost almost triple.
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