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Old 01-09-2013, 10:05 PM   #91
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WOW .... I guess that must be canadian because it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in English

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Being that he is from Quebec I'm going to go out on a limb and say that his first language is French and his second is English. At least he's providing useful input the majority of the time.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:10 PM   #92
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Being that he is from Quebec I'm going to go out on a limb and say that his first language is French and his second is English. At least he's providing useful input the majority of the time.
Maybe ... if you could understand what he is saying.

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Old 01-09-2013, 10:53 PM   #93
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+1 to this. One user announces to be another one to take a dump and almost instantly a lot of folks feel very presed in congratulating him. It is really funny !

P.S. And if Ford did better in solving the problematic cars in US, this forum would be only for "flower and power".
In Canada, talking from my own experience, Ford dealers seem to be more professional and less inclined into selling the phrase "it is normal behavior". Maybe I am mistaken, but I doubt being too much off.
Yes, I've noticed there are no unhappy Canadian Focus owners...

Dealers are dealers. Ford has the same incentives/disincentives to providing good service in the US as in Canada. And it shows.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:42 AM   #94
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A former colleague of mine worked for the company that supplied the modules for those seat heaters and they were the cause of some of those fires. They found out about the flaw in the design through their own investigation and notified Chrysler of it. It d cost Chrysler an additional $1.50 per module to eliminate the potential problem.
Chrysler's response: No thanks given the 1 in 50,000 failure rate, we'll take our chances. True story.
yea I had a friend say something similar I couldn't believe it when they said it was my fault in some way it took me a better half of a yearwith fighting with Chrysler for them to replace the seat as it was charred my model was not included in the original recall regarding the laredo and overland because th limited was wrongfully marked with the wrong part number when you had the luxury package checked off with the attached leather
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:52 AM   #95
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Yes, I've noticed there are no unhappy Canadian Focus owners...

Dealers are dealers. Ford has the same incentives/disincentives to providing good service in the US as in Canada. And it shows.
I was a very unhappy Canadian owner and there are quite a few others, I got lucky my dealer bought my car back. This my thread:
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304642
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I was not blaming a majority of users but honestly sit in a dealership service area for a while and listen to the people complaining in my experience of the rhode island area as I bought my car at one dealer and now have it serviced at another the complaints were a little mind boggling. The DCT is Fords first forray into double clutch and is a good one. is quality going to be that tried and tested engineering...no, never will be. it was a shame of the issues and complete ignorance to build quality (i guess you can say that for a majority of the Focus) have handicapped it as such. One credit to Ford is that they have stepped up and admitted to the problems and that cannot be said with other companies in recent history.

The whole point of my post was to be tongue and cheek. I have had past experiences with double clutch transmission including my partner's DCT titanium (which has yet to have a problem) and is still a technology that needs improvement just like everything else in a modern car in an age where we are pushing for absolute quality/power/fuel mileage/price/safety etc.... I get the whole idea of having an automated manual instead of a regular automatic for the fuel benefits of not using a torque converter but as for acting with the smoothness of an auto it's not going to happen no way you put it especially in a dry clutch set up... even VW with a wet based clutch can't emulate it.

in a perfect world yes people should understand differences in the powertrain and features that they are buying but this is not the case and nor will they understand. Ford should have offered a standard auto on the models with an option for DCT on the more performance oriented models but then cost would have been a factor.

And to end on a more humerus situation:

as for fire related and cant duplicate problem my jeep's heated seat caught fire one brisk afternoon after turning it on and I was given a "you must have messed with the wiring as we could not duplicate this problem" that was a slap in the face moment
Actually the Focus line has been using dual-clutch transmissions for a few years now. The difference is this is the first *DRY* clutch variant they've ever made. Dry clutches have less leeway and can't handle stresses as well as a wet clutch. This is where the problem lies...they decided to try a dry-clutch because it can eek out another 1-2mpg over the wet variant.

The problem is they didn't realize you need an entirely different type of engineering and programming strategy when using dry clutch transmissions. They can't handle the variances that wet clutch would have no trouble with...things have to be more exact.
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...they decided to try a dry-clutch because it can eek out another 1-2mpg over the wet variant.
Doubt it. It's probably another 0.5mpg increase max similar to the grill shutters. I'd happily take a 0.5mpg hit in order to get a smooth-operating and proven wet DCT.
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My 2012 has never been back to the dealership for repair. Built in March 2011 she was one of the first, I have 50,500 miles on the car and it still drives like it did when I brought it home. Black Betty has been through hellish roads, many states, vacations, trips, and back and forth to work many many times. Never an issue. Granted i have the S with a manual, and its dirt simple, but its reliable. I love the car, I have a lot of faith in my car that she will continue to get me from A to B without issues for a long time to come.
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Actually the Focus line has been using dual-clutch transmissions for a few years now. The difference is this is the first *DRY* clutch variant they've ever made. Dry clutches have less leeway and can't handle stresses as well as a wet clutch. This is where the problem lies...they decided to try a dry-clutch because it can eek out another 1-2mpg over the wet variant.

The problem is they didn't realize you need an entirely different type of engineering and programming strategy when using dry clutch transmissions. They can't handle the variances that wet clutch would have no trouble with...things have to be more exact.
I give them a lot of credit for going with the dry and hopefully as they manufacture more and work to get that sweetspot on software calibration it will lead to a better notoriety. I haven't looked into it much since I've stopped trying to nag my partner for his routine maintenance but is there any major servicing for the DCT? I was thinking the greatest benefit would be cheaper cost versus wet as his previous car was a Jetta with the DSG and I was shocked at the price of servicing every 40,000 miles with the fluid around 225.00 plus other recommendations that always seemed to stretch the bill to 600.00!
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I give them a lot of credit for going with the dry and hopefully as they manufacture more and work to get that sweetspot on software calibration it will lead to a better notoriety. I haven't looked into it much since I've stopped trying to nag my partner for his routine maintenance but is there any major servicing for the DCT? I was thinking the greatest benefit would be cheaper cost versus wet as his previous car was a Jetta with the DSG and I was shocked at the price of servicing every 40,000 miles with the fluid around 225.00 plus other recommendations that always seemed to stretch the bill to 600.00!
There is no scheduled maintenance for at least 10 years/ 150k miles. Although given that its basically a manual transmission a small fluid change might not hurt around 50k or so (it only uses 1.9 qts of fluid) inside the transmission case.
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