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Old 04-09-2013, 02:06 AM   #141
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Not much of a hassle aside from purchasing the items, not sure if they're a proprietary item for Ford or if they're universal, quick call to the tire store should answer that since they deal with them regularly now. You don't install them the tire shop does, it's the entire valve stem assembly, but the schrader valve inside it IS universal and probably not supplied with the kit. Any tire shop will have ample supply of those tho. Factory TPMS can run upwards of $50 PER TIRE so keep that in mind.
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Old 04-11-2013, 07:04 PM   #142
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i worked at a ski resort and drove my focus there 5 times a week. studded snow tires (general altimax) did great!
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Old 11-28-2014, 11:35 PM   #143
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I agree with the OP. This is NOT a good winter car. It might be fine in areas with moderate snowfall or hardpacked snow, but it's not working well up here in ski country.

1) I have proper NEW snow tires (15" winter, 16" summer) with fresh studs. I've lived in snow/ice country my entire life. My previous vehicles have ranged from RWD V8 cars and pickup trucks to FWD small cars and minivans to 4WD Rangers and a 2008 4WD Escape. Each vehicle type requires its own finesse, to be sure. Traction is important, but so is the vehicle's tendency to push in corners, stopping ability, manners in snow and slush, and reaction to gusts of crosswind. Tires are important, but some cars are simply better in winter than others.

2) The traction control is way too sensitive for wheel-spin and kills momentum when you NEED it. The correction on the yaw control is aggressive, and we all know that exaggerated movements on snow/ice are not ideal. My Escape had the traction control button on the dash...that's where it should be. This nonsense of scrolling through a menu while you're driving is ridiculous; TC is one of those items where you need it on the fly, not deselected when you start the car. I desperately needed traction control OFF a couple of weeks back when pulling into a slushy, greasy intersection...the car just limped along as I feathered the gas and tried to outwit the computer. I looked like a slow senior citizen trying to jaywalk.

3. The whacky transmission makes it hard to be in the right RPM range for different conditions. I end up using the "hill assist" feature to hold gears longer between shifts, but again it's the driver having to outwit the car.

4. There is no warning light for low washer fluid. For most of you, that's just a convenience. For those of us with heavily salted roads on a sunny morning, it's beyond precarious. Yes, fluid top-ups are done regularly, but a warning light is just that...it keeps you safe.

5. The "Courtesy Wipe" feature where the blades do one last "swish" 3 seconds after activating the washer fluid is infuriating. It turns a perfectly clean windshield into a smeared mess when you've got salt brine kicked up from other vehicles. I hated it on the Escape, and I hate it more on this smaller, lower vehicle.

Anyway, it's a quirky car in the best of weather, but doesn't cut the mustard as a winter driver in heavy snow zones. I dislike it to the point where, when a tree fell on it at work a few weeks back, I was praying for a total loss. It wasn't. I've put 45,000 km's on it in one year, and it still feels weird to me.
I have found the traction control to be one of the most dangerous things on this car. I have become stuck so many times with it on and the car wouldn't move at all!
We just received 30 cm of snow and it is a nightmare driving with this crappy system on!
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Old 11-29-2014, 12:08 AM   #144
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Sounds like I'd be turning it off as needed.
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Old 11-29-2014, 12:13 AM   #145
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I never cared for traction control. I know I hit 2nd gear a few days ago and the TCS kicked in and it was like I hit a wall, I thought the engine cut out and I broke the car then I saw the TCS light on. I guess it can be turned off but I didnt see a switch so it must be in the settings menu I'm guessing. As far as snow goes, I have yet to drive the focus in it. I have a 4x4 silverado with some Goodyear duratracs so I doubt the focus will get much drive time in snow.

If you think the focus is bad in the snow try driving a mustang, I got mine stuck in my driveway not pressing in the gas just barely letting off the clutch and was spinning. I hit the gas and it went sideways and sat there for about 5 days before the snow/ice melted. I just wanted to go out and play in the snow with it but I couldn't even do that lol. I also had some high performance street tires on it which have no traction for the snow.
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Old 11-30-2014, 10:03 PM   #146
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If you think the focus is bad in the snow try driving a mustang, I got mine stuck in my driveway not pressing in the gas just barely letting off the clutch and was spinning. I hit the gas and it went sideways and sat there for about 5 days before the snow/ice melted. I just wanted to go out and play in the snow with it but I couldn't even do that lol. I also had some high performance street tires on it which have no traction for the snow.
LOL. I drove several winters with first a 2000 GT and then a 2003 Cobra. I got some ugly wheels and put on Blizzaks. Got around very well, just had to remember to turn off the TC if I was slowing to turn and go up a hill. Ah well, the good old days.

These Winterforce are ok, but not near as good as my old Blizzaks were.
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There are times where t/c works & you need it & there are times you don't need it. For sure abs works awesome.
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Old 11-30-2014, 10:31 PM   #148
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LOL. I drove several winters with first a 2000 GT and then a 2003 Cobra. I got some ugly wheels and put on Blizzaks. Got around very well, just had to remember to turn off the TC if I was slowing to turn and go up a hill. Ah well, the good old days.

These Winterforce are ok, but not near as good as my old Blizzaks were.
You drove a terminator in the snow I always wanted one but everyone I see is still $20k plus and that's almost a new car price.
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You drove a terminator in the snow I always wanted one but everyone I see is still $20k plus and that's almost a new car price.
Rather have a '03-'04 Cobra over a new car you can get at that price. I wouldn't compare new car pricing w/ one of those.
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You drove a terminator in the snow I always wanted one but everyone I see is still $20k plus and that's almost a new car price.
Yes. I owned a Redfire convertible from 2005 to 2010. Sold it when I retired. Fun car. Did not like how it hopped like a bunny if you spun the tires. Other than that, great car.

It would make some of the guys at SVTPerformance howl whenever I would post a pic of it, covered in salt. LOL. Still sold it for an excellent price.
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