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Old 12-18-2012, 10:43 AM   #11
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Stop and go in the city is a bit funky for an automatic, however if anyone has ever driven a manual or at least sat in one for a stop and go ride. It is pretty similar.

I will test the 6th at 40 and see.
Are you talking about using select shift to push it into 6th or counting the shifts
6th gear at 35 should have the engine spinning around 1300 rpm or about 1-200 rpm above the minimum engine speed specified in the manual that is above the threshold of lugging the engine, in 5th it would be over 1500 rpm. 6th gear at 40 mph is right around 1500 rpm at least in my car both per the tach and having driven around in test mode to confirm this with the digital tachometer.

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In my 2013 rental it was both; select shift wouldn't upshift until 40mph.

After my update I can upshift to 6th at 35mph in selectshift, but it won't until 40mph in drive.
Why would the later software lock out 6th gear in selectshift mode to the same point if it was possible to shift to 6th at 35 without lugging the engine? That is curious and seems to be programmed more like the slushbox in that V6 Fusion I had when they failed to address my concerns with the below spec heated seat pads.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:48 AM   #12
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Why would the later software lock out 6th gear in selectshift mode to the same point if it was possible to shift to 6th at 35 without lugging the engine? That is curious and seems to be programmed more like the slushbox in that V6 Fusion I had when they failed to address my concerns with the below spec heated seat pads.
I was wondering the same thing. It just bothers me because I lose fuel economy in-town where the speed limit is 35-40 mph and I don't think the 35mph-40mph change is what is causing the 2013 clutches to have better life. I think it's really the seals. But of course, that's my suspicion, and maybe I'm wrong. But I want my 35mph shifts back and I know that's not going to happen. lol

EDIT: Although, I'd settle for the a new clutch and keep the 40mph shifts. My clutch was making the ever-popular grinding noise for 15k miles and it actually was mostly suppressed with the latest update (or it's the cold weather), but once or twice a week it still shudders really badly - especially while turning (the whole car shakes like there's an earthquake). I think it's because I still have the bad clutch in there - and possibly leaking seals?
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:53 AM   #13
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Our's has started the grinding and shuttering again after the clutch and seals replacement. Also noticed a roar in the rear last night. May be the tires.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:58 AM   #14
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Our's has started the grinding and shuttering again after the clutch and seals replacement.
Perhaps it's best I wait until revision C...
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:07 PM   #15
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My 2012 has a 7/10/12 build date. It shuddered a bit but since the 3k mark it has stopped and run perfectly.

Not sure if that info helps at all.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:16 PM   #16
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After my update I can upshift to 6th at 35mph in selectshift, but it won't until 40mph in drive.
Same with me. I was bummed at first but now it's habit to drop it into SS and hit the toggle to upshift on certain stretches where I'm sure to be doing 35-40. So it doesn't bother me as much anymore and it makes me feel a little more involved in the driving experience - like I'm a quarter of the way to actually driving a manual.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:20 PM   #17
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Same with me. I was bummed at first but now it's habit to drop it into SS and hit the toggle to upshift on certain stretches where I'm sure to be doing 35-40. So it doesn't bother me as much anymore and it makes me feel a little more involved in the driving experience - like I'm a quarter of the way to actually driving a manual.
I only remember to do it on my way to work. Around town, I rarely do it.

I agree on the manual thing - baby steps.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:04 PM   #18
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i had a may 2011 build...no problems aside from one episode when car failed to get into gear from a stop
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:39 PM   #19
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Not bashing anyone's posts, but just wanted to give my opinion of the whole "well, it shifts like a manual and I'm ok putting up with that" mindset that Ford seems to be getting drivers with the DCT to buy.
To me, that is comparable to someone saying "well, your fuel injection runs crappy once in a while because that's how it would run if it was carburated".
Seriously? Computer controlled transmissions are fully capable of flawless shifting simply because they ARE computer controlled (just like fuel injection). If they can design fuel injection to perform seamlessly (compared to a carb), they can design a computer controlled trans to perform seamlessly too. "That's how it would engage and shift if it were a manual"...... Really??
Maybe if your foot constantly slipped off the clutch pedal, or you were drunk.
Sorry for the rant, but like I said, not aimed at anyone in particular (except maybe the Ford people who brush off the herky jerky DCT complaints with "it's performing as designed" routine.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:02 PM   #20
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Not bashing anyone's posts...
I agree with you to a certain point, then I am not that much. I do agree that Ford people - especially Ford specialists (technical) should have train the dealers technical staff about the DCT and how to solve problems without spitting in the Customer face : "It is normal" !
But I don't agree with the statement that Ford should have programmed the DCT flawlessly. Why ? Because there are so many variables in a daily driving that I think it is almost impossible to simulate everything.

The shuttering for me, as someone comming from a life of driving manuals only, it is like when trying to upshift when the engine has no enough "power" to sustain the upshift. Or as if you try to go from a full stop with the car in the 2nd or 3rd. In the MT, the whole car is shaking, with the DCT, it is only in the acceleration pedal. This is why I think the problems reported here are not DCT system related, but its programming.

From my experience with my DCT - and I had my part of problems with the DCT AFTER my ex-dealer did a programming of the PCM and TCM last february - I can say it without being too ofset from the truth. Why ? Because everything was back on the right track after another programming of the PCM-TCM in april 2012. And yes, I also had my share of "It is normal !" while I had 12 000 km on it to prove it is not. Before february 2012 the DCT was great but I wanted to have the latest update at the time. Good wish, wrong dealer.

I also learnt how to drive the DCT, which is not a real automatic. Like when turning, I press a bit the break pedal to force the car to downshift and then push the gas to have a smooth passing. I am not babying my DCT either.
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