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Old 11-29-2012, 09:51 PM   #21
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Simply real world numbers that don't relate at all. A comparison of particle counts from a FL-910s to a 5-micron Amsoil bypass setup wouldn't really mean anything to our discussion of FL-910s vs EaO34 bypass valves now would it?
I'm not the only person here who uses Amsoil 5W-20 and could change to any EaO oil filter.

I'm simply baffled that you think a $4.00 to $7.00 oil filter could compare to one that is twice to three times the price, with far superior media and materials. All because you think a stiffer bypass is the end all be all of the design, not even considering the flow differences of the media.

To comment on your thread end versus top end valve placement debate. The thread end bypass was originally designed that way as a sludge prevention (sludge getting pulled back into the engine when the bypass was open). Odd, never found sludge in an engine maintained properly with Signature Series. Not even after cutting the oil filter open. None to be found.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:57 PM   #22
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I'm simply baffled that you think a $4.00 to $7.00 oil filter could compare to one that is twice to three times the price, with far superior media and materials. All because you think a stiffer bypass is the end all be all of the design, not even considering the flow differences of the media.

You're not comprehending my posts, are you? I never made that claim. I was very specific about the conditions where the Amsoil filter might not be the best choice.

Never mind...
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To comment on your thread end versus top end valve placement debate. The thread end bypass was originally designed that way as a sludge prevention (sludge getting pulled back into the engine when the bypass was open). Odd, never found sludge in an engine maintained properly with Signature Series. Not even after cutting the oil filter open. None to be found.
I didn't say anything about sludge. I've never found sludge in any engine I've maintained. You will have more contaminants settle in the dome end of a filter that is mounted thread end up.
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Let's compare UOA's...you will lose.

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I'm not the only person here who uses Amsoil 5W-20 and could change to any EaO oil filter.
OK, so who was I supposed to compare my UOA with again?

Man, you really are a piece of work.

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10,000 miles on Amsoil ALM 5W-20 and appears that half the lubricants life remains (or more). Wear metals are very low. TBN is just under 5. No make up oil added, the engine doesn't use a drop. Viscosity hasn't budged 1%. This is what a lubricant SHOULD be!

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10,000 miles on Amsoil ALM 5W-20 and appears that half the lubricants life remains (or more). Wear metals are very low. TBN is just under 5. No make up oil added, the engine doesn't use a drop. Viscosity hasn't budged 1%. This is what a lubricant SHOULD be!
Not a fair representation of the oil since you have a bypass system and 75% more oil capacity than the rest of us.
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Not a fair representation of the oil since you have a bypass system and 75% more oil capacity than the rest of us.
I expected that, and why I have 7 quarts of Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 on standby for the next test using the same system. A true side by side.

Your math is wrong, I only have 35% more capacity.

Ultra, unfortunately, isn't going to be a dominating competitor to Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20, as it's already at a disadvantage from the start.

1. The awesome (legendary) 5 quart container from Wal Mart selling for ~$27.00 is yesterday's dream. Wal Mart has dropped it from most of their stores, if not all. Ultra is found on their clearance racks now. Doubtful to return, despite the improvement made in the new API SN formulation. I bought all the 5W-20 for my testing purposes on clearance for $4.00 to $5.00 per quart at multiple locations. I bought all that remained (10 quarts total).

2. Pep Boys sells it, but only by quart in most stores. $9.79 per quart is too HIGH! Amsoil Signature is cheaper for preferred customers and will retain TBN longer (longer oil change interval).

It's doubtful I will be able to achieve the same mileage interval with Ultra, as compared to Amsoil Signature Series. Not going to waste my time with anything else commonly found on the shelf. Ultra is the only formulation that could even think about challenging what I already use, despite its downfalls.
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I expected that, and why I have 7 quarts of Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 on standby for the next test using the same system. A true side by side.

Your math is wrong, I only have 35% more capacity.
Your UOA shows a sump capacity of 8 quarts. Standard sump capacity is 4.5 quarts. 8/4.5 = 1.77. That is a 77% increase (I rounded down). That alone would greatly extend the life of any oil wouldn't it?

Your Ultra comparison will indeed be a fair representation of the two oils. I look forward to that.

You go on to say that no other oil is worth testing. To me the issue is not which oils can safely handle a 15k OCI or whatever. That ignores the issue of value. If Amsoil costs 75% more than Pennzoil Platinum or QSUD, can it guarantee a 75% longer OCI?
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Your UOA shows a sump capacity of 8 quarts. Standard sump capacity is 4.5 quarts. 8/4.5 = 1.77. That is a 77% increase (I rounded down). That alone would greatly extend the life of any oil wouldn't it?
Just a smidgen shy of 7 quarts capacity.

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Your Ultra comparison will indeed be a fair representation of the two oils. I look forward to that.
I do as well, but will take another 1.5 to 2 years to see the results.

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You go on to say that no other oil is worth testing. To me the issue is not which oils can safely handle a 15k OCI or whatever. That ignores the issue of value. If Amsoil costs 75% more than Pennzoil Platinum or QSUD, can it guarantee a 75% longer OCI?
Since Pennzoil Ultra isn't available cheap in 5 quart jugs at Wal Mart anymore, the price is actually higher per quart than a preferred customer will pay for Amsoil Signature Series. Less performance for more money, doesn't make sense really. However, since the change over to GTL basestocks in the API SN reformulation, Ultra has been returning good UOAs in the Ford Mustang. I'd like to see how it does in a Focus.

What others fail to see, it's not only UOA results that make a difference. Many people do not realize that cheaper base stocks have a higher frictional coefficient, causing higher friction, higher heat, and lower efficiency.
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I've added links to both this thread and the bypass filtration install info to the modifications list thread. :)
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