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Originally Posted by pozi240
YOU inferred that, not him (or even his wife)... someone is tad bit oversensative and defensive. The Prius is a great city
car, and by that, I mean, at speeds below 80km/hr, it gets great fuel ecomony and makes great sense for inner city dwellers. I drove one (2008 model, it was new then) a few years back on a road trip from Ottawa to St. Catherines and back, mainly on the 401/407/416 highway (median speed of 115km/hr and higher), and due to the lethargic tiny 1.5 gas engine, it needed BOTH the electric motor and gas engine combined to maintain highway speeds going up large inclines and hills... so, any economy "gained" going downhill, was quickly gobbled up going up the next hill and then some...
I calculated my economy and milage for the trip, and my "old" 2003 VW TDI Jetta actually would have used LESS fuel on the same trip, and diesel was cheaper per litre at the time as well. When you calculate the "Green" factor (from factory to junkyard), the TDI also comes out way ahead, but, that is another discussion... LOL
Again, they are great cars, for what they are, but, for highway commuting, they're are MUCH better options out there. Again, YMMV
Originally Posted by pozi240
Please elighten me on how I can be "wrong", it's an opinion, and mine, not yours.. We're you there with me on that 1000km trip?? I never trashed the Prius once, I merely stated facts about mileage and economy, all based on facts. For my needs, the TDI was much more economical (I commute about 90% highway everyday ) and more powerful to boot. The previous gen Prius was a great car for a certain niche of the motoring public, but it wasn't the best , nor the be all, end all many would have us believe, and it certainly isn't the "answer" to high mpgs. The Hummer example for the "cradle to grave" argument is equally ridiculous and no one brought that up but yourself. I mentioned that other vehicles, like the TDI (especially the BlueTec) are greener in that argument, and that has been proven. Again, that really doesn't matter to most (or even myself, I race motorcycles and am in the military, using green arguments would make me a hypocrite, lol). I just stated it since a lot of Prius owners like to throw that in your face. Toyota makes reliable cars, the Prius is no different (although I wouldn't want to pay for new batteries out of warranty, but, that is more of a concern for used buyers), but this is a FoFo forum, the OP started this thread to poke fun at a funny situation, nothing more.
You and Revhigh seem to have a love affair with your Toyota, that's great, but continuing to defend them on a Ford forum and put down naysayers is just dumb really. I'm sure there is some great forums out there for that.
You're basically wrong about the Prius being bad as a highway car. It's a tremendous highway car that is designed to use the electric motor and gas engine all the time. One does need to learn to get the best fuel economy in a Prius, it's called "pulse and glide" look it up. As far as being "green" what really matters is the amount of fuel the car will use over its lifetime. So yes a VW TDI is quite "green" too, I didn't say it wasn't, but looking at MPG ratings it hardly comes out "way ahead" compared to a Prius and will use far more over its lifetime. The 2007 Prius is rated at 46 MPG combined
. The only VW diesel I could find close to the 2007 Prius was a 2009 Jetta manual rated at 34 combined
. I usually got 38-42 on the highway which is probably similar to what a VW diesel would get. One you leave the highway though that diesel's MPG is going to be much worse.
The battery thing is quite green as the batteries last a looooooong time, there's plenty with over 300,000 miles on them. They're recyclable and modular. When the battery gets bad it's usually one or two modules that can be replaced individually and it's also part of the emissions equipment and has a very long warranty mandated by federal law.