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Old 10-19-2012, 03:43 PM   #341
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I can see where it might be possible that there is a control loop setup between the traction control elements monitoring the slippage of the front wheels

and the clutch controls monitoring the RPM's of the gears

to where the TCM (transmission control module) starts to activate the clutches, as the ESP (electronic stability program) starts to notice the wheels moving.

and between the 2 systems they are pulsating for a moment until the wheel speed of all 4 wheels is consistent. Curious - how does your car behave on wet ground?

I've gotten mine to spin one wheel on a hard start, but only one and IIRC it is only the left one. (shortest drive shaft)
I've definitely had some spin when launching from a stop in the rain. Sometimes when turning out of the parking lot at work (there's a weird intersection, no light, one side is curved so it's hard to see cars coming) I'll gun it sometimes to make it through as fast as I can, and I've certainly spun tires or atleast it felt like wheel hop where the car was trying to gain traction.

This car certainly doesn't have the power my last car had, so moderate throttle input leading to wheel hop/spinning tires doesn't sound like it's being caused by the car's power, but probably from the AdvanceTrac/TCS systems intervening.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:00 PM   #342
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So after driving with F19 out for couple days this is what I think. I think driving with AdvanceTrac feel like having helicopter mom with second set of car controls. It's crazy. This needs some real fixing - whatever latest programming was done to the system it's sensitivity needs to be SERIOUSLY dialed down. Or at least we need a way to permanently disable both TCS & ESP.
I think I'll try this on the way home from work. Is this one of those fancy fuses that requires me to unscrew it? Or just pull it out?
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Old 10-19-2012, 05:26 PM   #343
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Went to Phil Waterford Ford in Manteca, CA today and...

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Old 10-19-2012, 05:32 PM   #344
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Anyone else have similar encounters?
It appears to be a nation-wide epidemic spreading to Ford dealers. Possibly all car dealerships - I haven't had the pleasure to find that one out just yet.
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Old 10-19-2012, 06:52 PM   #345
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I really hope the government cracks down on them for this. I hope a full recall is necessary so Ford loses enough money to realize they can't pull this crap again in the future.

Yes, I actually do hope Ford loses money in this. For some companies, that's the only way to force them to change their ways.
They pulled the same crap on the late model Mustang owners with the Chinese sourced M82 manual transmissions. Lots of problems and band aid solutions that don't work.



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Old 10-19-2012, 08:25 PM   #346
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How do I turn off traction control?
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:17 PM   #347
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How do I turn off traction control?
It's in your owner's manual. Page 20 of 2012 manual, version 5.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:29 PM   #348
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It's sad that turning it off is such a chore in this car. My friend just got a 2006 Chevy Malibu and it's just a button. My last car had just a button too. Much better.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:23 PM   #349
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I'm not sure if this will help any of you guys out with getting service, but the eSourceBook has the following quote at the bottom of page 10:

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PowerShift 6-speed Automatic Transmission
The PowerShift automatic transmission has some specific operational characteristics that are different from
a conventional automatic transmission. During the initial break-in period, the transmission may exhibit “quick
shifts” or harsher than normal shifting. The transmission may also lightly “shudder” under light acceleration
or during a coast down to a stoplight. Assure the customer these characteristics are not abnormal during the
clutch break-in period and will certainly diminish once enough mileage accumulates.
I'm not sure if this will help, since it's technically referring to the 2013 MY, but the transmission/clutch pack should more or less be the same? If it applies to 2012's dealerships shouldn't be able to say that's normal after the first 1000-3000 miles?
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I'm not sure if this will help, since it's technically referring to the 2013 MY, but the transmission/clutch pack should more or less be the same? If it applies to 2012's dealerships shouldn't be able to say that's normal after the first 1000-3000 miles?
Dealers keep telling me that my shuddering and slipping are "normal", but I'm at 37k miles and the car didn't exhibit these characteristics from 10k-25k miles. That's why I'm mad that I keep getting turned away.
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