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Old 10-17-2012, 12:34 PM   #311
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I just bought my 2013 Focus HB Titanium last week. Have 800 miles on it and was just about to call the dealer about the shuttering problem when leaving a stop....
Thought I would look on here and wow, here it is.
This morning I drove with TC off and that fixed it for me as well.
This is just wrong, Ford need to fix this right away! It does sound like a software fix.

What should we do now? Call our dealers... Call Ford? Take the car back and demand it be fixed or refund my money here?
I like the car, but this is no good for me with out a real fix from ford.....
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:52 PM   #312
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I just bought my 2013 Focus HB Titanium last week. Have 800 miles on it and was just about to call the dealer about the shuttering problem when leaving a stop....
Thought I would look on here and wow, here it is.
This morning I drove with TC off and that fixed it for me as well.
This is just wrong, Ford need to fix this right away! It does sound like a software fix.

What should we do now? Call our dealers... Call Ford? Take the car back and demand it be fixed or refund my money here?
I like the car, but this is no good for me with out a real fix from ford.....

From what everyone has guessed this is a combination of TC and AcvanceTrac along with the Torque Vectoring System that will lead to shuddering and a major problem is that they can't just release a software update that compromises the functions of any of those things.

What I would like to see? Maybe regulate TVC to only a sport setting or have it user selectable through the menus or something or perhaps retune the TC to prevent the shuddering or even lower its sensitivity so it doesn't just jump on any little amount of slip.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:38 PM   #313
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From what I have observed, the advancetrac in our cars is a total control freak, with an OCD-like behavior. I wonder what's taking so long to get this issue solved Can't they make it less intrusive / sensitive, it gets excited over nothing.

On a side note, is it possible that one of the modules senses an internal slippage (transmission) and takes it as a loss of traction and wrongfully engages the advancetrac functions? One of our members generated a graph showing how our trannies slip during operation...I wonder if there is a relationship between these two variables. What do you guys think?
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:56 PM   #314
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Ok I pulled F19 fuse and drove around. It lights up panel with all the warnings but does not look like prevents you from driving. You will roll back on uphill starts.
Feels good to be honest. Upshifts are fine but they were fine before - downshifts w/o any hesitation in traffic I would say that's important. Side effect as well (positive one) my car was ever so slightly 'dancing' @ highway speeds left/right all the time. Dealer told me multiple times it's not steering rack and apparently it definitely not - no more. Car stay planted, steering feels exactly like it should - connected to the chassis. So if you anyone of you guys feel adventurous feel free to try it.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:03 PM   #315
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Ok I pulled F19 fuse and drove around. It lights up panel with all the warnings but does not look like prevents you from driving. You will roll back on uphill starts.
Feels good to be honest. Upshifts are fine but they were fine before - downshifts w/o any hesitation in traffic I would say that's important. Side effect as well (positive one) my car was ever so slightly 'dancing' @ highway speeds left/right all the time. Dealer told me multiple times it's not steering rack and apparently it definitely not - no more. Car stay planted, steering feels exactly like it should - connected to the chassis. So if you anyone of you guys feel adventurous feel free to try it.
Is the F19 fuse for the Advancetrac? Interesting - taking mine in again on Monday. I want to try and have as much info with me as I can.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:05 PM   #316
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Ok I pulled F19 fuse and drove around. It lights up panel with all the warnings but does not look like prevents you from driving. You will roll back on uphill starts.
Feels good to be honest. Upshifts are fine but they were fine before - downshifts w/o any hesitation in traffic I would say that's important. Side effect as well (positive one) my car was ever so slightly 'dancing' @ highway speeds left/right all the time. Dealer told me multiple times it's not steering rack and apparently it definitely not - no more. Car stay planted, steering feels exactly like it should - connected to the chassis. So if you anyone of you guys feel adventurous feel free to try it.
Awesome! Thanks for trying! I wonder if that also effects the cross-wind/crown electronic-assisted steering thing? (God, what the hell is that called?)
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Awesome! Thanks for trying! I wonder if that also effects the cross-wind/crown electronic-assisted steering thing? (God, what the hell is that called?)
I think it was called something like drift-pull compensation, but I'm not 100% certain on that at this moment.
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I think it was called something like drift-pull compensation, but I'm not 100% certain on that at this moment.
A sensor/radarless lane departure assist system by the sounds of it?
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A sensor/radarless lane departure assist system by the sounds of it?
Essentially, it's really just to help it track straight if there is a steady cross-wind or crown in the road. If the road turns without crown, it's not going to save you.

...not that it matters. I can't get my car to drive a straight line for like 0.2 seconds. *rubs eyeball* Why am I already half way out of my lane?
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A sensor/radarless lane departure assist system by the sounds of it?
From a PDF I found online, not sure if the link will work or not, but here's the brief media description of the feature.
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EPS also features as standard equipment pull-drift compensation, a software-based technology that helps
drivers offset vehicle pulling or drifting that can occur in
steady crosswinds or on uneven roads.
http://www.at.ford.com/news/Publicat...rkAssistLR.pdf

http://www.at.ford.com/news/cn/Artic...eFeatures.aspx
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