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Old 10-10-2012, 12:50 PM   #221
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Per powerpoint documents I've seen about the powershift dry dual clutch DCT it appeared that LUK is responsible for the manufacturing of the clutch pack. Of course I can't find that particular presentation at work at the moment however.
I believe you are correct Suss, I'm at work right now too (I have that same PP saved on my home computer), but, I do remember Luk being mentioned as the clutch supplier. I'm familiar with that brand, since I replaced many a clutch/pressure plate combo on the myriad of older VW's I owned over the years. My local VW garage used to supply Luk parts, since they were half decent and not quite as pricy as the Bosch or Brembo units..... LOL. Even though they were marginally cheaper, I never had an issue with any of them and they seemed to hold up well against my abuse (we're talking late teens/early 20's while in university), even with the way I drove my old MKII GTi's and Scirocco's....
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:26 PM   #222
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So unnerving...

To just sit and wait not knowing what/when you get any results. Why would in this day/age dealerships can't put a progress information about your car on the web?
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:21 PM   #223
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Do you know of anyone here that has had gears or synchros replaced?
No I don't, but the grinding noise aint happening without grinding going on and the likely items to be grinded are the gears and synchros...


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Old 10-10-2012, 02:23 PM   #224
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Synchros will definitely need to be replaced if grinding is present. Gears are a possibility.
Yes, I should have included synchros...


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Old 10-10-2012, 02:25 PM   #225
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No I don't, but the grinding noise aint happening without grinding going on and the likely items to be grinded are the gears and synchros...
My guess is that the grinding noise is actually the clutch, but I can't imagine this clutch slipping being good for the synchros or gears. That's why I'm about 1 more denied warranty from opening up my bell housing. If my synchros/gears/solenoids fail at 125k because I was driving on a bad clutch, that's something I am going to have to pay for.

EDIT: If I record myself opening this up and transmission fluid comes out because the inner seal failed and the outer seal didn't... what's step #2? Put it back together and take it to my dealer? Is my warranty already screwed? I mean, there's always the chance nothing will come out (and the grinding noises are all in my head...) but if that's the case I'll put it back together and tell my dealer nothing.
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Yes, Getrag (a German company?) makes the DCT in Mexico. What I don't know is who designed the faulty seals, DCT programming, or dual clutch mechanism itself. I think the seals are really the issue here. Funny how those "little details" are overlooked. I know someone that designed a windmill... he put it up and it spun and generated electricity and everything... then if fell over because he put no engineering effort into the feet / base of the windmill.
The thing is GetRag also makes dual-clutch transmissions for manufacturers like Ferrari, Audi, VW, BMW, and more. I doubt the issue is the actual dual-clutch transmission, but more-likely the software Ford has created to go with it and the implementation of the DCT with the rest of the drive-train.
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The thing is GetRag also makes dual-clutch transmissions for manufacturers like Ferrari, Audi, VW, BMW, and more. I doubt the issue is the actual dual-clutch transmission, but more-likely the software Ford has created to go with it and the implementation of the DCT with the rest of the drive-train.
This. Getrag in this case would be the last company I would be blaming. They have been building transmissions for other companies for years as hotleadsingerguy stated, not to mention look at transmissions like the MTX-75 5-spd in the Focus that has been tried and true for years, they make quality stuff.
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The thing is GetRag also makes dual-clutch transmissions for manufacturers like Ferrari, Audi, VW, BMW, and more. I doubt the issue is the actual dual-clutch transmission, but more-likely the software Ford has created to go with it and the implementation of the DCT with the rest of the drive-train.
VW and their DSG has had similar complaints and issues for what it's worth, we aren't the only people with problems. Not an excuse, just a statement.

That being said, the DSG operates smoother than the Powershift. Whether that's design or software I'm not too sure.
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The thing is GetRag also makes dual-clutch transmissions for manufacturers like Ferrari, Audi, VW, BMW, and more. I doubt the issue is the actual dual-clutch transmission, but more-likely the software Ford has created to go with it and the implementation of the DCT with the rest of the drive-train.
Until recently, the DCTs GetRag made were of the "wet clutch" variety. The dry clutch used in our Focus is pretty new. Wet clutches can handle more torque but are more expensive to produce and maintain and are slightly less efficient. It seems they generate a lot fewer clutch chatter/gear grinding complaints,

If Ford had to do it all over again, I wonder which one they would choose?
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This. Getrag in this case would be the last company I would be blaming. They have been building transmissions for other companies for years as hotleadsingerguy stated, not to mention look at transmissions like the MTX-75 5-spd in the Focus that has been tried and true for years, they make quality stuff.
Getrag makes the MTX-75? This is the first I've heard of it.
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