Think I figured out the shuddering when starting from a stop...can't believe it - Page 12 - Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum
Ford Focus Forum
HomeContact UsAbout UsGalleryDiscussion ForumsMarketplace


Go Back   Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum > Ford Focus Third Generation > MK3 TSB, Recall & Problems Archive

MK3 TSB, Recall & Problems Archive The place to chat about TSB and Known Issues for the 2012 Focus.

Search This Forum | Image Search | Advanced Search    
Ford Focus Tire & Wheels FocusFanatics Merchandise

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-05-2012, 01:08 AM   #111
PratoN
Focus Fanatic
 
PratoN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Fan#: 88058
Location: Milwaukee, WI
What I Drive: 2012 Kona Blue Ti Hatchback, DCT

Posts: 3,911
Points 2,875, Level 32
Points: 2,875, Level: 32 Points: 2,875, Level: 32 Points: 2,875, Level: 32
Level Up 84% Completed
Level up: 84% Level up: 84% Level up: 84%
Forum Activity 4%
Activity: 4% Activity: 4% Activity: 4%
FF Reputation: 13 PratoN Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
^ That is verbatim from the TSB. That said, if your transmission is making weird noises (not just shuddering) I think that's something your dealer should still be fixing under warranty - TSB or not.
__________________
2012 FF Ti HB Kona Blue, Built 5/24/2011, 401A + Ti Handling Package, Parking Technology Package, Winter Package, Moonroof, and MFT w/NAV at v3.6 100k miles and counting...
PratoN is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-05-2012, 08:04 AM   #112
valmundo
Focus Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Fan#: 89368
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
What I Drive: 2012 Focus SE & 2013 ST2

Posts: 433
Points 3,900, Level 39
Points: 3,900, Level: 39 Points: 3,900, Level: 39 Points: 3,900, Level: 39
Level Up 67% Completed
Level up: 67% Level up: 67% Level up: 67%
Forum Activity 1%
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
FF Reputation: 12 valmundo Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
My car does not have the transmission problem that some on this thread have been experiencing but I'd thought I should try turning off the traction control just to see what would happen anyway. After driving my car in rush hour traffic yesterday for almost 45 minutes, driving as slow as 15 MPH and as fast as 45 MPH, my car exhibited no significant difference in its driving experience, i.e. I still have not experienced the phenomena that others have experienced with their tranny.

The build date on my car is 8/11 so its fairly old but not as old as some of the other folks' cars who have been experiencing issues but who knows if that is a factor.
valmundo is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 08:19 AM   #113
Joeywhat
Strichmädchen & Koks
 
Joeywhat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Fan#: 85247
Location: Brighton, MI
What I Drive: 2014 Mustang 3.7L SGM

Posts: 2,855
Points 7,618, Level 58
Points: 7,618, Level: 58 Points: 7,618, Level: 58 Points: 7,618, Level: 58
Level Up 34% Completed
Level up: 34% Level up: 34% Level up: 34%
Forum Activity 22%
Activity: 22% Activity: 22% Activity: 22%
FF Reputation: 11 Joeywhat Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (1)
Quote:
Originally Posted by valmundo View Post
My car does not have the transmission problem that some on this thread have been experiencing but I'd thought I should try turning off the traction control just to see what would happen anyway. After driving my car in rush hour traffic yesterday for almost 45 minutes, driving as slow as 15 MPH and as fast as 45 MPH, my car exhibited no significant difference in its driving experience, i.e. I still have not experienced the phenomena that others have experienced with their tranny.

The build date on my car is 8/11 so its fairly old but not as old as some of the other folks' cars who have been experiencing issues but who knows if that is a factor.
Mine was built 03/11, and has not experienced any issues.

It will sometimes shudder, which I believe to be normal. It typically happens when I'm not deliberate with the throttle, or when I shift at incorrect times (I also typically use select shift).

I also do not have the most recent gearbox update.
__________________
Hatch Nation #29
Joeywhat is online now  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 08:39 AM   #114
hotleadsingerguy
Focus Addict
 
hotleadsingerguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Fan#: 86687
Location: Cleveland, United States
What I Drive: 2012 Black Titanium 5-Door

Posts: 882
FF Reputation: 5 hotleadsingerguy Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joeywhat View Post
Mine was built 03/11, and has not experienced any issues.

It will sometimes shudder, which I believe to be normal. It typically happens when I'm not deliberate with the throttle, or when I shift at incorrect times (I also typically use select shift).

I also do not have the most recent gearbox update.
That's where the problem lies for a vast majority of people. TSB 12b37 is what caused the issues with shuddering for most people.
hotleadsingerguy is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 08:47 AM   #115
Quantos
Focus Enthusiast
 
Quantos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Fan#: 100622
Location: Montreal, Canada
What I Drive: 2012 Sterling Grey Sedan Focus Man.

Posts: 53
Points 136, Level 2
Points: 136, Level: 2 Points: 136, Level: 2 Points: 136, Level: 2
Level Up 72% Completed
Level up: 72% Level up: 72% Level up: 72%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 Quantos Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Wow, very interesting read. Happy that you guys seem to have found the issue, but it's sad that the "fix" is such a constant inconvenience (turning it off every time). To me, this really sounds like this needs to be looked into by Ford. So many people with similar results can hardly be random.

The fact that one feature of the car severely hinders another is not acceptable and could even be considered dangerous. The choice between having transmission issues and having no traction control is not a choice one wants to make with a car that is supposed to have both working.

I'm curious to see what the corporate engineer has to say about this...
Quantos is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 08:48 AM   #116
valmundo
Focus Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Fan#: 89368
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
What I Drive: 2012 Focus SE & 2013 ST2

Posts: 433
Points 3,900, Level 39
Points: 3,900, Level: 39 Points: 3,900, Level: 39 Points: 3,900, Level: 39
Level Up 67% Completed
Level up: 67% Level up: 67% Level up: 67%
Forum Activity 1%
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
FF Reputation: 12 valmundo Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotleadsingerguy View Post
That's where the problem lies for a vast majority of people. TSB 12b37 is what caused the issues with shuddering for most people.
I've had that update as well.
valmundo is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 09:28 AM   #117
hotleadsingerguy
Focus Addict
 
hotleadsingerguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Fan#: 86687
Location: Cleveland, United States
What I Drive: 2012 Black Titanium 5-Door

Posts: 882
FF Reputation: 5 hotleadsingerguy Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantos View Post
Wow, very interesting read. Happy that you guys seem to have found the issue, but it's sad that the "fix" is such a constant inconvenience (turning it off every time). To me, this really sounds like this needs to be looked into by Ford. So many people with similar results can hardly be random.

The fact that one feature of the car severely hinders another is not acceptable and could even be considered dangerous. The choice between having transmission issues and having no traction control is not a choice one wants to make with a car that is supposed to have both working.

I'm curious to see what the corporate engineer has to say about this...
That's precisely the problem -- Ford says "This is the way the car is meant to operate" and leaves it at that. They don't listen to reason or logic beyond and including that statement, so getting them to change it will be downright impossible unless they realize it themselves.

I have a conference call today with one of the "Corporate Engineers" (read: not really an engineer at all) to discuss my issues with the transmission. Having driven more than 15 concentric dry dual-clutch systems across various platforms I feel I have a fairly strong understanding of how this transmission *should* operate. We'll see if I'm able to make my case, or if I get the same old "We know what we're doing" speech.

If I do, the options are either that they buy it back or I bring up a lawsuit. I'm done messing with this car after they drastically changed the operation of it without my approval. I didn't buy a $30k that drives like this, and I'm not going to be expected to keep it for 10 years in this condition.
hotleadsingerguy is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 09:34 AM   #118
Quantos
Focus Enthusiast
 
Quantos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Fan#: 100622
Location: Montreal, Canada
What I Drive: 2012 Sterling Grey Sedan Focus Man.

Posts: 53
Points 136, Level 2
Points: 136, Level: 2 Points: 136, Level: 2 Points: 136, Level: 2
Level Up 72% Completed
Level up: 72% Level up: 72% Level up: 72%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 Quantos Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotleadsingerguy View Post
That's precisely the problem -- Ford says "This is the way the car is meant to operate" and leaves it at that. They don't listen to reason or logic beyond and including that statement, so getting them to change it will be downright impossible unless they realize it themselves.

I have a conference call today with one of the "Corporate Engineers" (read: not really an engineer at all) to discuss my issues with the transmission. Having driven more than 15 concentric dry dual-clutch systems across various platforms I feel I have a fairly strong understanding of how this transmission *should* operate. We'll see if I'm able to make my case, or if I get the same old "We know what we're doing" speech.

If I do, the options are either that they buy it back or I bring up a lawsuit. I'm done messing with this car after they drastically changed the operation of it without my approval. I didn't buy a $30k that drives like this, and I'm not going to be expected to keep it for 10 years in this condition.
Wow.

The stupid thing is that they had a car working well, then they mess it up with an update, and then claim it was meant to be like that from the start.

I wouldn't expect normal customer support to be able to fix it right away, or even mechanics at a dealer, but what they need to understand is that this needs to be brought up to the people that make the updates. This does sound like lawsuit material if Ford takes no further action. :/
Quantos is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 09:53 AM   #119
bsp_53
Focus Addict
 
bsp_53's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Fan#: 87580
Location: Millinocket, ME
What I Drive: 2012 FF Titanium HB, Yellow Blaze

Posts: 683
Points 519, Level 10
Points: 519, Level: 10 Points: 519, Level: 10 Points: 519, Level: 10
Level Up 38% Completed
Level up: 38% Level up: 38% Level up: 38%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 bsp_53 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotleadsingerguy View Post
...
I have a conference call today with one of the "Corporate Engineers" (read: not really an engineer at all) to discuss my issues with the transmission. Having driven more than 15 concentric dry dual-clutch systems across various platforms I feel I have a fairly strong understanding of how this transmission *should* operate. We'll see if I'm able to make my case, or if I get the same old "We know what we're doing" speech.
......
Good luck, man ... and keep us posted!
__________________
Gold Nugget: '12, 400A, Wintr Pckg, Yellow Blaze HB
Mods: Llumar Tint:35 / 20; K&N fltr + Snrkl Del.; Splashgrds; Grill Pinstripes
Hatch Nation #174
bsp_53 is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-05-2012, 10:00 AM   #120
dan50
Focus Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Fan#: 91789
Location: Too much info, IL
What I Drive: 2012 SEL White Platinum 5 Dr 302A

Posts: 1,180
Points 2,848, Level 32
Points: 2,848, Level: 32 Points: 2,848, Level: 32 Points: 2,848, Level: 32
Level Up 66% Completed
Level up: 66% Level up: 66% Level up: 66%
Forum Activity 3%
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
FF Reputation: 12 dan50 Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantos View Post
Wow.

The stupid thing is that they had a car working well, then they mess it up with an update, and then claim it was meant to be like that from the start.

I wouldn't expect normal customer support to be able to fix it right away, or even mechanics at a dealer, but what they need to understand is that this needs to be brought up to the people that make the updates. This does sound like lawsuit material if Ford takes no further action. :/
To be fair, 12b37 did help a lot of us. In my case it moved the DCT from being completely unacceptable to merely annoying. One would hope there's another update in the works...
dan50 is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Bookmarks & Social Networks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:47 PM.


Copyright 2002-2014 FocusFanatics.com. All Rights Reserved : Privacy Policy : Advertise Information

Focus Fanatics Ford Focus Forum offers many fun ways for you to engage with other Ford Focus Owners from across the world. Whether it be about the aftermarket performance modifications, technical how-to's, European tuned suspension or awesome fuel economy similar to the Cadillac ATS-V, Ford Fusion and Acura TLX. You can find all Ford Focus and Focus ST related information here. Join our Ford Focus discussion forums and chat with local Focus enthusiasts in your area.