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Old 01-11-2013, 08:29 AM   #51
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I wouldn't say this is a ST haters thread at all. I like the new ST, I'd for sure do some mods.
QFT man I tend to think most ST owners won't be able to keep their hands out from under the hood. I will be doing it right this time around: tune first, intake (liking the Steeda), downpipe, exhaust. We shall see what other temptations come about....
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:29 AM   #52
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Oh and a better engine mount... my one real complaint, that I share with many.
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QFT man I tend to think most ST owners won't be able to keep their hands out from under the hood. I will be doing it right this time around: tune first, intake (liking the Steeda), downpipe, exhaust. We shall see what other temptations come about....
I'd recommend doing the intake before the tune so that the tune can take advantage of the intake.

I'm not hating on the ST at all, in fact I rather like it a lot, but just not enough to go deeper into debt to replace my 2012 Focus which I also love.

ST vs V6 Mustang, ST any day of the week. ST vs GT is a bit harder to decide, although I'd have to stay away from the manual recaros on the GT as it sits way too low on the floor for my tastes and I still hadn't driven the 6MT GT.
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To my knowledge there isnt going to be much difference with the intake integrated into the tune. I have the tune now from Fswerks and it makes enough power on its own. I'm sure an intake will help power too, but i doubt any tuning is needed just for an intake.
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To my knowledge there isnt going to be much difference with the intake integrated into the tune. I have the tune now from Fswerks and it makes enough power on its own. I'm sure an intake will help power too, but i doubt any tuning is needed just for an intake.
Any tweak to the air flow that is outside the parameters that the computer can adjust for is going to hurt the potential gains though, that and if the car is expecting a specific volume of air but is getting more air than this due to the intake that could cause a lean condition.

Its also why you'd want to dyno tune and then road load tune to fine tune the tune to the car and not just go with a stock/ static tune.

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Any tweak to the air flow that is outside the parameters that the computer can adjust for is going to hurt the potential gains though, that and if the car is expecting a specific volume of air but is getting more air than this due to the intake that could cause a lean condition.

Its also why you'd want to dyno tune and then road load tune to fine tune the tune to the car and not just go with a stock/ static tune.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

This would only be if the intake diameter were changed. All major intake manufacturers rely on smoothing the flow of the air inside the intake, increasing flow numbers and power that way. This is why you can put intakes on a stock car and get increased power and not need a tune. Not to mention that during the production of the intake they tune it to work with the car without issue.

F2 had problems because in the beginning they increased the diameter of the intake surronding the MAF, thus increasing the air volume past the point of the computer being able to compensate without a tune. They fixed this by putting in a smaller diameter insert surrounding the maf.

If you are making a custom intake then yes, you need a tune, but if you are buying an intake that was already made by a reputable manufacturer, they have done the work for you. You may be able to squeeze out a bit more power with a dedicated tune on the intake, but i cant imagine it would be more than 1 or 2 hp if that.
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Wow, a thread justifying why someone would not buy the best Focus ST to every grace the landscape of North America. And its on a Focus fanatic forum. Wow.
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It's a small group of dislikers. Ford made a mistake not following up the SVT and giving us a weak MKII selection. At least now this forum has a real performance car from the showroom floor.
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I've driven the new ST and I can't think of anything I would rather own.

My next vehicle choice is going to depend very heavily on what the next Mustang is like because I love the Focus ST.
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Wow, a thread justifying why someone would not buy the best Focus ST to every grace the landscape of North America. And its on a Focus fanatic forum. Wow.
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because it's an opinion and that's what forums are here for?
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