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Old 06-14-2012, 07:44 PM   #1
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Strange issue with latest DCT Update and manual S mode

So I put my DCT into S and selected 1st. I floored it and it shifted at redline to 2nd gear and then the RPMS climbed and shifted to 3rd at redline. Now it gets strange. As the RPM's are climbing in 3rd it suddenly shifts at about 4500 rpm's to 4th and fell flat after that.

I did it twice thinking maybe It was a fluke the first time. Is this normal behavior? I'll try it in just S and D tomorrow and see if it's strictly only in S Manual mode.


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Old 06-14-2012, 08:06 PM   #2
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Chances are that if you are selecting the next gear at redline, the transmission is changing because of redline and not you. There is a delay between the button push and the actual gear change.

The shifts that are occurring in 3rd and 4th are probably your delayed shifts. I've had a similar experience when deciding to shift while in S at the same time the transmission has decided to make a change. It ends up shifting from 1st to 3rd (though I am not at redline).

If you want to try and see, you can hit your shift button 1k early. This should null out any transmission input (in theory, at least). If you intend on running redline (not that I recommend it, but it is your car), I wouldn't even hit the selector. It will shift on its own.
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Hey Dyn085,

Actually I'm not even touching the shift button. I know even in Manual Mode that if you don't use the button it will shift on it's own. So I was just selecting 1st and then I'd punch it. It was great until it was in 3rd.
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Oh. Why would you select first while in S if you don't intend on manually shifting?

Either way, if you aren't shifting it then it does seem odd.
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Oh. Why would you select first while in S if you don't intend on manually shifting?

Either way, if you aren't shifting it then it does seem odd.
well I was going to use the button to do the shifting manually but as It approached redline it seemed to shift perfectly on its own. Sorta like if you don't actually shift with the button in time it will take over. So since it was doing a great job I just let it go.

Very odd though that it wouldn't stay consistent and pull to redline in every gear.
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It could be a safety feature of S+. If you are going to drive it that hard, I would just leave it in S.
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yeah I'll check into that. I don't normally beat on my car but would like it to perform correctly if I ever needed to pass someone, etc.
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So I put my DCT into S and selected 1st. I floored it and it shifted at redline to 2nd gear and then the RPMS climbed and shifted to 3rd at redline. Now it gets strange. As the RPM's are climbing in 3rd it suddenly shifts at about 4500 rpm's to 4th and fell flat after that.

I did it twice thinking maybe It was a fluke the first time. Is this normal behavior? I'll try it in just S and D tomorrow and see if it's strictly only in S Manual mode.
I that this morning and hit 80mph in 3rd gear as it shitted at 6500 in D. I did have it short shift on me in S even before the update. it happens.
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Yeah this morning getting on the on-ramp I decided to see how it would do in just D and it pulled fine through each gear but my car always seems to struggle in 3rd with the 5k RPM mark. Almost like the clutch can't hold but I rarely beat on the car anyway and its not consistent. Perhaps I'll try once more with S mode and not trigger the Manual shifting and see if it short shifts on me.

Good stuff to know though. Imagine trying to pass someone on a 2 lane road and being in manual mode and just as your getting up there in position to complete the pass before oncoming traffic the darn thing short shifts and falls on its face and now you've gotta quickly drop back and look like an idiot!. haha.
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So I put my DCT into S and selected 1st. I floored it and it shifted at redline to 2nd gear and then the RPMS climbed and shifted to 3rd at redline. Now it gets strange. As the RPM's are climbing in 3rd it suddenly shifts at about 4500 rpm's to 4th and fell flat after that.

I did it twice thinking maybe It was a fluke the first time. Is this normal behavior? I'll try it in just S and D tomorrow and see if it's strictly only in S Manual mode.
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Chances are that if you are selecting the next gear at redline, the transmission is changing because of redline and not you. There is a delay between the button push and the actual gear change.

The shifts that are occurring in 3rd and 4th are probably your delayed shifts. I've had a similar experience when deciding to shift while in S at the same time the transmission has decided to make a change. It ends up shifting from 1st to 3rd (though I am not at redline).

If you want to try and see, you can hit your shift button 1k early. This should null out any transmission input (in theory, at least). If you intend on running redline (not that I recommend it, but it is your car), I wouldn't even hit the selector. It will shift on its own.
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Hey Dyn085,

Actually I'm not even touching the shift button. I know even in Manual Mode that if you don't use the button it will shift on it's own. So I was just selecting 1st and then I'd punch it. It was great until it was in 3rd.
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Oh. Why would you select first while in S if you don't intend on manually shifting?

Either way, if you aren't shifting it then it does seem odd.
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well I was going to use the button to do the shifting manually but as It approached redline it seemed to shift perfectly on its own. Sorta like if you don't actually shift with the button in time it will take over. So since it was doing a great job I just let it go.

Very odd though that it wouldn't stay consistent and pull to redline in every gear.
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It could be a safety feature of S+. If you are going to drive it that hard, I would just leave it in S.
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yeah I'll check into that. I don't normally beat on my car but would like it to perform correctly if I ever needed to pass someone, etc.
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I that this morning and hit 80mph in 3rd gear as it shitted at 6500 in D. I did have it short shift on me in S even before the update. it happens.
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Yeah this morning getting on the on-ramp I decided to see how it would do in just D and it pulled fine through each gear but my car always seems to struggle in 3rd with the 5k RPM mark. Almost like the clutch can't hold but I rarely beat on the car anyway and its not consistent. Perhaps I'll try once more with S mode and not trigger the Manual shifting and see if it short shifts on me.

Good stuff to know though. Imagine trying to pass someone on a 2 lane road and being in manual mode and just as your getting up there in position to complete the pass before oncoming traffic the darn thing short shifts and falls on its face and now you've gotta quickly drop back and look like an idiot!. haha.
Dysan911, dyn085, & Brabs_Weather -

Good investigating, guys! As we know, the computer will always shift for you in Sport mode if you don't do it in time. To prevent the engine from running at too low an rpm, SelectShift may automatically make some downshifts. I've used it on a few occasions now, but will explore it more in the coming weeks.

If you feel there is a problem with your Sport mode, please take it to your dealer for a check-up. If you prefer, shoot me a PM with your VIN, mileage, phone #, and dealer; I'll forward this to the Customer Service Manager in your region for review.

Thanks for jumping in dyn085; appreciate the assistance!

Take care all,

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