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Old 09-21-2012, 10:22 PM   #231
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What? New cars lose value? Almost immediately after you drive them off the lot? Nooooo!!!! Say it isn't so. Interesting though that the value is totally arbitrary considering the money you pay with is also losing value. Inflation anyone? Again, this is a first world problem and if your only complaint is that the car isn't holding value then ride a bike or better yet I'll pay you, to drive me in my car. Also with regard to the DCT, this is the way of the future. Shiftless transmissions are already out. But this can legitimately give you the best of both worlds. Yeah, we can talk all day about how a purist will love the feel of a MT but eventually that will go away and be regarded as an inconvenience. When you talk about your five speed people will look at you like you are talking about three on the tree. And besides MT and city driving don't mix, it's a pain in the ass, admit it.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:12 PM   #232
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A 2012 Focus Titanium MSRPs for 24, 640 USD fully loaded.

KBB has this for a decent shape, 13,500 mile 2012 Titanium also fully loaded



For shots and giggles, here are some more.

A 2012 Honda Civic EX is 21,445 (KBB isn't showing the EXL so I didn't use it)



The Focus isn't that bad, it isn't that good; it's just average for keeping its value.

It's a first year car of a brand new model. I'd be shocked if it did hold value.

This isn't a Ferrari FXX. This won't gain in value as time goes on. It's a damn economy car that is sold by the truck load.

You think our depreciation is bad? Take a look at some luxury Marques and then come back and cry to us about resale value.

If resale value bothers you so much, buy used. You will clearly save a lot.

Otherwise stop the whining.

This isn't a Focus specific issue that some of you seem hell bent on believing.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:40 PM   #233
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Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but it's normal for American cars to hold their value less than Japanese cars, for example. However, I did get around $5k off sticker and 0% financing or so, compared with Honda, who wanted to charge 3.9% interest and would barely take off $1k from sticker.

In the end, it kind of balances out, IMHO. Cars aren't investments... I'd happily deal with lower resale value as an extra sort of cost of owning a Focus over something like a Civic or Corolla...
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:53 PM   #234
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And besides MT and city driving don't mix, it's a pain in the ass, admit it.
I've been in stop-and-go traffic in rush hour, heading up a long steep hill, one of a few on my route. I'm still happy I got the manual. If I had only one car, I'd pick a stick.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:18 AM   #235
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Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but it's normal for American cars to hold their value less than Japanese cars, for example. However, I did get around $5k off sticker and 0% financing or so, compared with Honda, who wanted to charge 3.9% interest and would barely take off $1k from sticker.

In the end, it kind of balances out, IMHO. Cars aren't investments... I'd happily deal with lower resale value as an extra sort of cost of owning a Focus over something like a Civic or Corolla...
+1. Especially since the current Civic is uh... let's say 'undesirable' and leave it at that. My friends just bought a brand new Civic LX. I gave them my condolences!
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:34 AM   #236
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You can, it just needs to go back as stock or, close to it.
Yeah that's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying it for me.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:50 AM   #238
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The Focus isn't that bad, it isn't that good; it's just average for keeping its value.

It's a first year car of a brand new model. I'd be shocked if it did hold value.

This isn't a Ferrari FXX. This won't gain in value as time goes on. It's a damn economy car that is sold by the truck load.

You think our depreciation is bad? Take a look at some luxury Marques and then come back and cry to us about resale value.

If resale value bothers you so much, buy used. You will clearly save a lot.

Otherwise stop the whining.

This isn't a Focus specific issue that some of you seem hell bent on believing.
Like that will ever F'in happen. Some are car fanboys, others are just hater fanboys. Hater is as hater does.

I paid cash for my Ti. I am extremely happy with my 5speed. I couldn't give a skip-to-my-b-lou what the resale is. I'm averaging just under 3000 miles a month in the car, think I'll take a mileage hit? Who cares!! It's a car, not an investment!
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:08 AM   #239
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You guys think I give a crap what the value of a focus is well I do not, was just elaborting on the the thread of why they are losing value......I got rid of my fully loaded titanium 2 months ago for a trade-in of 20G so it in fact looks like they are losing value quickly.....call me what you want just stating facts......B-lou
1.) it's a American car, they never hold their value as well even if they are good.

2.) if you got rid of it already why are you still here? You're clearly not helping

3.) did you miss all the talk of why first run cars lose value anyways? Or are you trying to create some conspiracy?
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"Like that will ever F'in happen. Some are car fanboys, others are just hater fanboys. Hater is as hater does.

I paid cash for my Ti. I am extremely happy with my 5speed. I couldn't give a skip-to-my-b-lou what the resale is. I'm averaging just under 3000 miles a month in the car, think I'll take a mileage hit? Who cares!! It's a car, not an investment!"

Exactly this.

I saved 6k on my car by buying a used, dealer employee Titanium and I avoided a majority of the first year depreciation. The car still, with 16k KM on it, still would get me around 21-22k at minimum on a trade. That's hardly a loss for me.

I think if you are mad that your car depreciated badly you probably paid a lot for it to begin with and are just frustrated to see that happen.

Expensive cars rarely hold their value. A 2012 SE would have less of a loss in value than a 2012 Titanium because the Titanium has a bunch of options and additions that don't really matter when considering trade in values. If you private sale, then it matters.

I still don't get why people need to make this seem like a Focus specific issue. It isn't. Its new car 101.

If you didn't realize that when you bought the car then quite honestly you are a fool and you deserve to be shocked when you go get a trade in appraisal.
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