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Old 09-21-2012, 02:15 PM   #181
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I don't think they screwed up initially. There are enough people who seem to have no complaints that Ford has a reasonable expectation that the transmission would work properly.
I thing they are in the process of screwing up now. And this is one of “The Big Three”. You know been around 100 years or so.
And now their calling the negative symptoms “Normal Operation”, someone described the noise as “dragging a metal trashcan lid beneath the car”. The jerking and hard shifts, the seeming lack of response to throttle input and so on.
The lack of a fix now, they know they have a problem. Ford simply does not know how to make the troubled transmissions act like the rest. They need to get on the stick and figure it out.
I have been driving Japanese for the last 17 years and I was really proud to have bought American again.
I still am and I love my Focus but as of yet it does now work well enough for me to be proud of it.
I would not recommend it to anyone.
Why wouldn't you?

The people who have issues speak the loudest but that doesn't mean they speak for us all.

The Focus is still top 3 material.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:35 PM   #182
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The people who have issues speak the loudest but that doesn't mean they speak for us all.
Actually ... I think it's the other way around ... those few with NO problems (at least here) speak the loudest ... or at least try to speak the loudest ...

I believe people who aren't as aware of the nuances of their cars will begin to experience failures well before the 60K warranty is up. I think a lot of problems are being caught here early by people with seal leaks and such, and that they're avoiding the catastrophic failures that less informed owners are going to experience as the miles mount up. Mechanical things shouldn't grind and shudder if they're working properly, and if these owners are being told that 'it's normal' ... they'll drive their cars until they fail.


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Old 09-21-2012, 02:40 PM   #183
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Actually ... I think it's the other way around ... those few with NO problems (at least here) speak the loudest ... or at least try to speak the loudest ...

I believe people who aren't as aware of the nuances of their cars will begin to experience failures well before the 60K warranty is up. I think a lot of problems are being caught here early by people with seal leaks and such, and that they're avoiding the catastrophic failures that less informed owners are going to experience as the miles mount up. Mechanical things shouldn't grind and shudder if they're working properly, and if these owners are being told that 'it's normal' ... they'll drive their cars until they fail.


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I suggest you go to BMW, Merc, Audizine, vwvortex and then come back and say that.

If the forums were an accurate representation, every car ever made in the last 2 decades has been a cluster of engineering and a poor purchase...

Vocal minority over silent majority. All the time.
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Go watch top gear america season 2 episode 13 the auto clutch lambo that is $250,000 shudders at low speed.
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I suggest you go to BMW, Merc, Audizine, vwvortex and then come back and say that.
We're talking about the Ford Focus ... not BMW, or Audi or MB ....

Absolutely no correlation at all.

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Go watch top gear america season 2 episode 13 the auto clutch lambo that is $250,000 shudders at low speed.
Haha, I loved watching him try to drive that in city traffic...
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Go watch top gear america season 2 episode 13 the auto clutch lambo that is $250,000 shudders at low speed.
I mentioned earlier that I rode in a BMW 650i over the weekend, and there was absolutely no shuddering ... no hunting .... no grinding ... no nothing untowards at all with their DCT transmission. As a matter of fact ... I would jump all over a transmission that acted as the BMW's did. It was spectacular. I believe that Ford's DCT will eventually be OK, but it's not yet ready for prime time as far as I can tell.

That's not to say that eventually it won't be highly regarded and lauded.

Again ... what does lambo have to do with a Ford Focus ? An absurd argument, and one that isn't relevant at all to the subject being discussed.

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I mentioned earlier that I rode in a BMW 650i over the weekend, and there was absolutely no shuddering ... no hunting .... no grinding ... no nothing untowards at all with their DCT transmission. As a matter of fact ... I would jump all over a transmission that acted as the BMW's did. It was spectacular. I believe that Ford's DCT will eventually be OK, but it's not yet ready for prime time as far as I can tell.

That's not to say that eventually it won't be highly regarded and lauded.

Again ... what does lambo have to do with a Ford Focus ? An absurd argument, and one that isn't relevant at all to the subject being discussed.

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it has to do with your thing about mechanical things not grinding or shuddering
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it has to do with your thing about mechanical things not grinding or shuddering

So ... you're saying that a mechanical device shuddering and grinding bodes well for the longevity of that device ? I've never seen that.

Who's to say that the trans in the lambo won't fail prematurely ... there's probably no lambos (or very few) on the road anywhere with 60K miles or more, which is the Ford's powertrain warranty.. to say nothing of the fact that an economy car's transmission is routinely expected to last at least 150-200K miles.

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Honestly, if even the DCTs of supercars jerk, buck, and shudder (which I believe is what you’re saying), then Ford should have left the DCTs for the supercars. I didn’t purchase this car to race anyone, I purchase it to get me from A to B (with a little bit of fun), expecting that it could also handle stop-and-go traffic.

I think Mazda had a great idea with the (EDIT) transmission (not DCT) that uses a smaller torque converter under 5mph. I’ve never driven the 3 with SkyActiv, but if it’s as smooth as it sounds, this is probably something that BMW, Audi, Lambo, etc. should have considered when designing the first DCTs.

So there you have it! The Focus was designed to be a race car and will be a horrible city driver.

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