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Old 09-15-2012, 03:33 PM   #21
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So I don't understand why people are getting bent out of shape about what a dealer is doing to car that they won't even buy...
I couldn't agree more. If you want an unmolested vehicle, factory order it.
No need to get all pissy about it.
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Old 09-15-2012, 04:21 PM   #22
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I couldn't agree more. If you want an unmolested vehicle, factory order it.
No need to get all pissy about it.
If this was a perfect world where car salesmen were all honest this wouldn't be an issue.But it's not rare to see a new car with 300+ miles on the counter with the excuse that the car was driven to the dealership.

Without looking at the actual mileage ,a visual inspection of the tires and the plastic on the seats should tell you if the car is new or "thrashed".

As for ordering a new car,this is kinda of an overkill if a dealership as one like you want in stock ,the car has under 30 miles and the salesman allows you to do a long road test to check for bells and whistles and see if everything works perfectly before signing anything.This would be a better bet than ordering one and ending up with one of the "good enough" cars.
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If this was a perfect world where car salesmen were all honest this wouldn't be an issue.But it's not rare to see a new car with 300+ miles on the counter with the excuse that the car was driven to the dealership.

Without looking at the actual mileage ,a visual inspection of the tires and the plastic on the seats should tell you if the car is new or "thrashed".

As for ordering a new car,this is kinda of an overkill if a dealership as one like you want in stock ,the car has under 30 miles and the salesman allows you to do a long road test to check for bells and whistles and see if everything works perfectly before signing anything.This would be a better bet than ordering one and ending up with one of the "good enough" cars.
I've yet to take a on lot car...

Why would you?

If you can spare te 1-2 week wait on average for a brand new car, so be it.
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I've yet to take a on lot car...

Why would you?

If you can spare te 1-2 week wait on average for a brand new car, so be it.
Do as you want.Why should I care.lol
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Completely agree, when its ur car. But when a dealership does it to a car they are gonna eventually sell to an unsuspecting customer......
My point was that there are different degrees of what people consider 'trashing.' If the fact that some people sat in a car or drove it before you want to buy it is considered 'trashing the car' then there is no car on earth for those people that should not be considered 'trashed.' By the time it gets driven off the assembly line hundreds of people were already in it! The car gets run on the rolls at highway speed and then driven out of the plant to the holding lot. Someone else then gets in it and drives it to the back lot where it sits and waits again. Then, someone drives it to the trucks and puts it on the car hauler and I am sure that any person that thinks that accelerating quickly is trashing would not like to see their car race up the car hauler and then get winched to the platform compressing the suspension to nothing. It then gets transported, taken off the hauler, moved around, and finally delivered. Just because one does not see the above process does not mean that it was not what some would consider to be 'driven hard' before delivery.

And then there is the fact that as soon as a dealer will not let a person drive the car they are all the sudden snooty, pathetic, or not a good dealer. So, people want to drive it but then criticize the dealer for letting other people drive it.

So again, my point is that there are 10,000 people reading this thread and there will be 13,000 opinions about the subjective word 'trashed' (the extra 3,000 opinions are reserved for those with multiple opinions)....
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Many people (myself included) had much faster/better handling cars before their 2012 Focus.

I'm not disappointed at all.

The reality is that in 99% of normal everyday driving, the extra HP / better handling buys you *nothing*. The road that I do 40 MPH on in one car is the road that I will do 40 MPH on in any car.

In any case, the ST is not exactly a performance monster so it's nothing to get so excited about. One could say that a ST owner should never drive a Mustang GT...
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alright guys, lets stop with the arguing and bickering. posts have been deleted.
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Old 09-16-2012, 07:56 AM   #28
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WOW ! LOTS of whining and bitching on this thread.
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Getting back on topic...

If you're in the market for a hot hatch, at this point not buying the ST is a bad decision.

I wouldn't expect someone to jump 5k in price from a Titanium to a ST, not everyone needs the power and performance.

But the ST compared to the GTI and MS3 and VT and WRX?

Well the WRX is getting a proper update soon, bespoke platform and all to share with the next STI so if you must have awd you are better off waiting.

The VT is still too soft. All Hyundai did was add a turbo. Sure, it's 4-5k cheaper, but it feels that much cheaper. Not remotely in the same class.

The MS3 and GTI are sort of the benchmarks for hot hatches, maybe the GTI more so because VW seems to have nailed the hot hatch formula.

The ST takes a hammer to the balls of the GTI.

If you drive an ST chances are your going to be spoiled and driving any other car In the class won't be as enjoyable, that's how good I think the ST is.
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Getting back on topic...
Yeah,that was not condescending?!
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