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Old 09-14-2012, 10:58 PM   #41
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Here's a definition from the Tire Rack
"Full-Size Temporary Spares
Full-size temporary spare tires and wheels match the vehicle's original tire dimensions, but typically feature lighter-weight construction and a shallower tread depth to reduce vehicle weight to improve fuel economy and make the spare easier to install. While most of today's vehicles are originally equipped with alloy wheels, full-size temporary spares are typically mounted on steel wheels and should be used only as spares."

Comment: ".........match the vehicle's original tire dimensions.........."
This is in accordance with the common definition of the term 'full size'. Where a term or terms is used that is at variance with the common definition by law the revised definition must be provided. Where applicable, contracts, bylaws and other legal documents contain a section on Definitions that states words to the effect that "In this contract the following terms shall have special meaning". Words and definitions follow.

I still don't know what triggered the 'full size spare' that necessitated raising the cargo deck. I assume it was either the 18" wheels or the Sport Suspension. None of the options state "Comes with full size spare". In any case it would have been more accurate for Ford to specify exactly what options are associated with the full size spare.
From your owner's manual:

Your vehicle may be equipped with a dissimilar spare tire/wheel.

...


A dissimilar spare tire/wheel is defined as a spare tire and/or wheel that
is different in brand, size or appearance from the road tires and wheels

and can be one of three types:

1. T-type mini-spare: This spare tire begins with the letter “T” for tire
size and may have “Temporary Use Only” molded in the sidewall

...

2. Full-size dissimilar spare with label on wheel: This spare tire has
a label on the wheel that states: “THIS TIRE AND WHEEL FOR
TEMPORARY USE ONLY”

...

3. Full-size dissimilar spare without label on wheel
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:13 PM   #42
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Thanks for that suss6052. Even though I told the dealer my first car as a 1966 Shelby Mustang and I was interested in a 2012 Focus SVT (which I didn't know was not available and which later became the ST) neither the dealer or Ford made it easy for me to drill down to the options I wanted. A simple filter questionnaire with questions like "What kind of driver are you?" or "What is more important luxury or handling and performance important?" would have connected me with right options. It was only after several runs through the option list that Sport Suspension and 18" wheels came up. I find it puzzling that Ford didn't break the Titanium into sub groups like Sport (or better still, Titanium S), Limited, SEL etc. In Canada, the difference between a base and loaded Titanium is about $10K. There is little visual difference between the base and loaded especially from the rear unless you know what to look for. I wanted a Titanium S because I got the sport options. But since Ford doesn't offer an S designation I just added my own S after the Titanium badge. I have the technology to design and fabricate most other options that I want but that Ford doesn't offer.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:14 PM   #43
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Just because it says 'full size spare' doesn't mean you should expect a 18" rim down there...

You have your Txxx/xx/Rxx wheels which are very temporary.

You then have your full size spares which may or may not actually be the same rim diameter.

What it usually means, in the case of the Focus, is that you have 17" rims but with thicker tires so that the outer diameter of the spare matches the outer diameter of the remaining stock wheels so you don't run into shenanigans, this is especially important for AWD equipped vehicles because not having matching tires or matching treadwear can lead to premature expiration of one or more of the tires.

Even my truck, with 255/45/R20 rubber only had a 18" spare, the spare made up in the difference by having much thicker tires.
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:49 PM   #44
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One of the useful functions of a site such as this one is that it provides a forum in which to learn and especially to make others aware of issues. It was on this site that I first learned about the raised cargo deck. Up until this point, I had no explanation as to why the Ford cargo area protector was almost 4 inches too long. In addition, I wasn't even aware that the spare in my Ti was different from stock Foci.

This will be my last post on this subject. So I will cut to the chase. Ford has a Vehicle Notes: in it's parts catalogue and on its web page for the protector that states: "Not Available w/Full-Size Spare. Not for use with BEV".

Based on what I now know, the Full-Size Spare only comes with the 18 inch wheel option or the Sports Suspension package. Further, the issue isn't whether the part is available (the part is staring the reader in the face), the issue is that the part doesn't fit Foci with a Full-Size Spare. What Ford should have said in their Vehicle Notes is "Will not fit Foci with optional 18" wheels or Sport Suspension" full stop.

Is the spare full size as some maintain it is?

Here's a definition from the Tire Rack again. There are two issues.
"Full-Size Temporary Spares
1. Full-size temporary spare tires and wheels match the vehicle's original tire dimensions"

My Full Size Tire is a:
Michelin Pilot Sports 3
235/40
R18 95W
Approximate outside diameter is 25.5 inches


My Full Size Spare is:
Continental ContiProContact
215/55
R16 93H
Approximate outside diameter is 24.75 inches

The universal standard for measuring tire size is wheel rim diameter not outside tire diameter. Sixteen inch wheels are not the same dimension as 18 inch wheels. R18 95W tires are not the same dimensions as R16 93H tires. A 25.5 inch outside diameter is not the same as a 24.75 inch diameter, ergo on all 3 points the spare is not Full-Size by any definition.

Someone else has pointed out that the Ford Owner's Manual says the spare tire is dissimilar. This is consistent with the definition of Tire Rack:

"................but typically feature lighter-weight construction and a shallower tread depth to reduce vehicle weight to improve fuel economy and make the spare easier to install. While most of today's vehicles are originally equipped with alloy wheels, full-size temporary spares are typically mounted on steel wheels and should be used only as spares."

As a final comment, I emailed both Weather tech and Husky about the availability of cargo protectors for the altered cargo. I explained in detail the issue and how and why the Ford protector was too long. I asked both parties to get back to me if they had a protector that would fit. So far I have not heard back from Weathertech. I heard back from Husky right away. But they referenced the protector that fit the standard Focus 5 door cargo area. This certainly suggests that the issue I experienced is not common knowledge.

If this post helps one Focus owner avoid this issue my efforts will not have been in vain.
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Do you have a picture of whats going on? I'm curious what it looks like
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I would be glad to attach a photo. In this case, a photo is worth about a million words. Can someone please tell me how to do this?
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