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Old 07-17-2014, 09:45 AM   #1
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Another vehicle with a dry clutch.

Will this be only the 3rd vehicle with an automatic dual, dry clutch transmission? (Ford Fiesta, and Ford Focus the other 2).

Granted, it's going in a $68k vehicle at what is (assuming) a projected fraction of the sales volume of the Fiesta-Focus, but nevertheless, isn't the concept and implementation of dual, dry clutch automatics an example of automotive engineering failure? What would make the Alfa Romeo's any better than the Focus' transmission? Why on Earth would Alfa Romeo even consider a dual dry?

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1. Alfa Romeo 4C — 160 mph

American drivers rejoice — the Alfa Romeo 4C is set to make its return to U.S. soil for the 2015 model year. The 4C can also claim the title as fastest four-cylinder car on the planet, hitting top marks of 160 miles per hour behind the power of 240 horses. The engine itself is a 1742 cc turbocharged four-cylinder, coupled with a dual dry clutch six-speed automatic transmission for seamless shifting. For American Alfa Romeo fans, the 4C has been a long time coming. For fans of fast, sleek cars loaded with sporty dynamism, the 4C offers the most speed a four-cylinder can offer.


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I read about this...kinda thought the same thing. There's only so many ways to build the same type of transmission right??
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Dodge Dart has a dry dual clutch as well. A quick google for problems with it and.....well their forums don't have a 300 page sticky with issues and countless other threads with the same problem. The problem isn't dry dual clutch transmissions, the problem is the specific transmission and programming in the focus. Ford @#$%ed up and used a POS and isn't owning up to the problem.
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Will this be only the 3rd vehicle with an automatic dual, dry clutch transmission? (Ford Fiesta, and Ford Focus the other 2).

Granted, it's going in a $68k vehicle at what is (assuming) a projected fraction of the sales volume of the Fiesta-Focus, but nevertheless, isn't the concept and implementation of dual, dry clutch automatics an example of automotive engineering failure? What would make the Alfa Romeo's any better than the Focus' transmission? Why on Earth would Alfa Romeo even consider a dual dry?

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1. Alfa Romeo 4C — 160 mph

American drivers rejoice — the Alfa Romeo 4C is set to make its return to U.S. soil for the 2015 model year. The 4C can also claim the title as fastest four-cylinder car on the planet, hitting top marks of 160 miles per hour behind the power of 240 horses. The engine itself is a 1742 cc turbocharged four-cylinder, coupled with a dual dry clutch six-speed automatic transmission for seamless shifting. For American Alfa Romeo fans, the 4C has been a long time coming. For fans of fast, sleek cars loaded with sporty dynamism, the 4C offers the most speed a four-cylinder can offer.
If it is anything like the other Alfas, the car will fall apart long before the transmission.

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Dodge Dart has a dry dual clutch as well. A quick google for problems with it and.....well their forums don't have a 300 page sticky with issues and countless other threads with the same problem. The problem isn't dry dual clutch transmissions, the problem is the specific transmission and programming in the focus. Ford @#$%ed up and used a POS and isn't owning up to the problem.
"The DDCT was originally designed by Fiat, and is a proprietary combination of transmission units from suppliers, and then designed for the Giuliette and Mito models before Dart development even started. Chrysler engineers developed our U.S. calibration, however, and the unit behaves quite differently here."
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I read about this...kinda thought the same thing. There's only so many ways to build the same type of transmission right??
With my knowledge of transmission mechanicals at zero or less, I would imagine so.

I wonder if Getrag is manufacturer for the Alfa's TCT (twin clutch transmission).
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In addition to the Dart, some European Renaults and a few Hyundai models use a dual dry clutch. No doubt there are others.
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With my knowledge of transmission mechanicals at zero or less, I would imagine so.

I wonder if Getrag is manufacturer for the Alfa's TCT (twin clutch transmission).
Getrag is wet clutch. Wet and dry are the differences...lubed or dry
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Getrag is wet clutch. Wet and dry are the differences...lubed or dry
Yeah, an online search gives me the impression the vast majority of Getrag's transmissions are wet clutch design. Not sure how many dry clutch types they did before the Fiesta - Focus.

I'm just wondering if Getrag is expanding their dry clutch line-up with Alfa's new transmission.
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