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Old 09-05-2012, 11:36 AM   #71
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Sorry based on my direct experience this is wrong. See my previous post. I'm pretty much the only person who drove my car beginning with about 30 miles on the clock. Drove perfect until about 500 miles when the shudder started. Nothing driver-related had changed to cause the shudder.

Also, I rented a Focus last summer, so it was a very early build, and I didn't notice anything wrong with the transmission. IIRC it had several thousand miles on it.

Again, IMHO this is a software/hardware flaw that for some reason affects a good number of cars but not the majority.
You should probably realize I wasn't responding to *you* when I wrote that. I was talking about the rent-a-car in the above post.

What I'll say to you is the same thing I said before about another issue: It's a learning module. The problem doesn't necessarily have to be driver error...it could also be the way the module learns. Mine started doing it just recently and I haven't changed my driving habits at all. The problem is the module is learning incorrectly and trying to accommodate for something that it doesn't need to.

I've had my car since last March (got it early), and my transmission performed admirably until about a month after getting the TSB update. Since then, the module has learned, incorrectly, how to accommodate for my driving style. The simple fix is to just unplug the battery for a bit and let it re-learn. If that doesn't work, I'll be driving to the dealership to have them re-apply the update.
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You should probably realize I wasn't responding to *you* when I wrote that. I was talking about the rent-a-car in the above post.

What I'll say to you is the same thing I said before about another issue: It's a learning module. The problem doesn't necessarily have to be driver error...it could also be the way the module learns. Mine started doing it just recently and I haven't changed my driving habits at all. The problem is the module is learning incorrectly and trying to accommodate for something that it doesn't need to.

I've had my car since last March (got it early), and my transmission performed admirably until about a month after getting the TSB update. Since then, the module has learned, incorrectly, how to accommodate for my driving style. The simple fix is to just unplug the battery for a bit and let it re-learn. If that doesn't work, I'll be driving to the dealership to have them re-apply the update.

I know, but I experienced basically the same thing in my car. I was just pointing out that it can happen in a car with one driver or many drivers apparently. Or it can (probably more often) NOT happen in a car with one or many drivers.

Yes I agree it's software / learning related. It can also be hardware related as given by the "long rivet" change Ford made early on and the cases of posters whose dealers found fluid leakage on their clutches.
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Mine would creep forward before the update, not it "jolts" as described above. It's really annoying if your at a drive-thru. Sometimes it needs gas to go forward, sometimes you have to ride the brakes.

In the last several days I've also noticed a "bump" while using cruise. When going down a hill it feels as if the trans is coming out of gear and clunking back into gear.
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Mine would creep forward before the update, not it "jolts" as described above. It's really annoying if your at a drive-thru. Sometimes it needs gas to go forward, sometimes you have to ride the brakes.

In the last several days I've also noticed a "bump" while using cruise. When going down a hill it feels as if the trans is coming out of gear and clunking back into gear.
Thanks, more proof I think that there are real software troubles and it can't all be explained away by "that's just the nature of a dual clutch automated manual - LIVE WITH IT." Most of us know how well the DCT can operate, usually either before or after we got the 12B37 update. That's what makes these new "jolts" or "shudders" or what have you that pop up anew all the more unacceptable.
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Thanks, more proof I think that there are real software troubles and it can't all be explained away by "that's just the nature of a dual clutch automated manual - LIVE WITH IT." Most of us know how well the DCT can operate, usually either before or after we got the 12B37 update. That's what makes these new "jolts" or "shudders" or what have you that pop up anew all the more unacceptable.
I'll quote my wife. "I know you bitch about little things with autos, but when I can tell something is wrong, something is def. wrong." We had to swap vehicles the other day for something, and she noticed a day and night difference in the way the car drove.

I hope to be able to get mine in the shop next week.
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So you will take it to someone else to do the battery pull . . . or, what?
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It's going back to the dealership. They can pull the battery all they want. I want it documented.
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...in my business contacts I've dealt with the region manager for Enterprise Holdings (Enterprise, National and Alamo) for Southern Alberta and asked him about their Focus and Firsta fleet and the DCT. He responded that they have had no issues with the cars and were in the process of ordering their 13's. Now if they couldn't rent them out they wouldn't be making them money and he would know about it. And they wouldn't be ordering 13's to replace the 12's instead of going with a different brand/model.
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...letting off the brake does the DCT creep forward? I know when the DCT came out for VW one of the complaints was that the 'auto' didn't creep. If Ford tried to make this transmission creep that could cause a lot of the low speed shuttering as its massaging the clutch to creep forward.
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It's because of the way they've been driven. The DCT has to be "programmed", because it's a learning transmission module. The more you drive it, the better it learns. If 10 different people all drove it within the first 2k miles the programming is probably all over the board. Good chance that's the reason the shuddering exists.

DayGlow: Yes it creeps. I didn't have this problem before the TSB, which is why there was no shuddering when letting off the break, but now it does so. It almost pulses in the way that it engages/disengages the clutch. Not very smooth, and probably the reason people think it's crap...

It's annoying, and would be an easy fix, but there's not much we can do.
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Yes it does creep, mine always did even before 12B37.

...My violent launch shudder appeared with about 500 miles on the clock and gradually disappeared after 5 hard launches at about 1500 miles...The car drove noticeably worse after 12B37 but has gradually gotten back to the way it was.

...All of this tells me this is a software (i.e. adaptive learning) issue or a hardware (clutch pack) issue. It is NOT a driving style issue in my opinion, as just about everyone who has been lucky enough to not have the shudder / jolting problem insists it must be.
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I get a nice steady creep of about 1-2 mph when I let off the brake from a stop. I do have the 12B37.
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Well, I just came back from the Ford garage. The guy who looked at the car actually went for a ride with me. Of course it wasn't acting up like it had been previously (nothing ever seems to go wrong like it should when I take any of my vehicles into the dealer), but there were mild cases of what I was describing. The mechanic told me that I can expect the transmission to, at times, perform as I described (being jerky on some shifts, etc..), because it was not going to act like a normal automatic transmission.

I came home, pulled the battery and instantly noticed smoother shifting...
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...Not that the battery pull has anything to do with this as I noticed this before the battery pull but today I dropped my car off for Service because at about 40mph or just under that when the tranny is in 6th. The slightest incline or if you push the gas pedal down just a little to bring the RPM's up it sounds like Im dragging a metal trash can lid under the front of the car...Also there is oil seeping from between the area where the Engine meets the Transmission...

So Far I've had service for:

1. Highway drift TSB
2. Front suspension Clunk TSB
3. 11-10-2 PCM update
4. 12B37 Update
5. MFT update 3.02
6. Rear driver door sticking
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Mine would creep forward before the update, not it "jolts" as described above. It's really annoying if your at a drive-thru. Sometimes it needs gas to go forward, sometimes you have to ride the brakes.

In the last several days I've also noticed a "bump" while using cruise. When going down a hill it feels as if the trans is coming out of gear and clunking back into gear.
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So you will take it to someone else to do the battery pull . . . or, what?
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It's going back to the dealership. They can pull the battery all they want. I want it documented.
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If you haven't talked to your Customer Service Managers about these issues, please PM me your VIN, mileage, phone number, and dealer name; I'll send it off to each one for review.

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So I had the update done (finally) and while moving forward it seems to be okay, I seem to have a problem reversing. It just jolts from stop to go. Basically the smooth "creeping" action when reversing is gone. For tight spaces it becomes a problem as you'd want to be as close as possible to the car on the back before straightening. I simply can't do it anymore as the thing just lunges back. This is frustrating, will a battery "reset" do anything?
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So I had the update done (finally) and while moving forward it seems to be okay, I seem to have a problem reversing. It just jolts from stop to go. Basically the smooth "creeping" action when reversing is gone. For tight spaces it becomes a problem as you'd want to be as close as possible to the car on the back before straightening. I simply can't do it anymore as the thing just lunges back. This is frustrating, will a battery "reset" do anything?
Hi Bakaboy,

I recommend taking your vehicle back to your dealer and contacting the Ford of Canada Customer Relationship Centre @ 1-800-565-3673. They'll provide additional assistance.

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