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Old 08-29-2012, 02:00 AM   #51
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As for the Focus, risk can be reduced by getting a manual, no sunroof, and no MFT.
I agree with the no moon roof. After four attempts to fix the leak, it now leaks worse than it did originally. No help from Ford Customer Service so I don't know what my next step will be yet. The MyFord Touch definitely has some issues, not unexpected with software rushed out before all the bugs are worked out. I have 6K miles on my Focus and it has been in for a MFT upgrade, a transmission and roll back fix, attempts to fix the moon roof and, of all things, the Focus sign on the car was falling off, not glued properly to the car.
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I've owned a slightly used Dodge Neon, new Hyundai Elantra and now the Focus. All of them made it back to the dealer for warranty service in the first 6 month of ownership so to me, it's like a given and to be expected with ANY car. Unless of course I really just have bad luck. If I would have to chose between these three cars, I'd buy the Focus again in a heartbeat. I wouldn't buy another Neon (if were still available) nor an Elantra. Even with the little "quirks" that my Focus has, it's still the best :)
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The following is what I experience with my car:
You press the gaz pedal to catch up with the car in front of you (remember, you are in bumper to bumper trafic). Still you press the gaz pedal with your big winter boots on, but nothing happens...the car doesnt move, so you press some more. Then, the car realize ''Oh, you wanna go forward? that much ? Ok buddy, here we go!!'' and then the traction control kicks in 'cause your wheels are spinning on the ice and you dont move at all. That's the biggest winter time irritant for me, with my car. I'm not saying they all do that, but mine does and it's annoyant as hell.
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You do know you can turn off the traction control yes/no?
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You do know you can turn off the traction control yes/no?
Yea I don't think he knows that,,,,

Especially when I had to leave my crescent in winter, I'd turn off TC and keep it in first. It dominated the snow like a champ and I never really got "stuck"

Also, if you aren't patient with the pedals and gentle, your Stability programs will interfere almost immediately anyways.
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...I am a new member to the forum, however, I have been browsing over the last week as I consider purchasing a 2012 Ford Focus.

When I began researching, I was unaware of the DCT and the issues related to it. After reading numerous threads with over a hundred responses, I am a bit nervous to buy a Focus.

Disregarding the DCT, the Focus is by far my #1 choice for a new vehicle, therefore I wanted to ask everyone if I should feel confident in pursuing a 2012 Focus.

Also, I am considering getting a slightly used one so should I be looking for a newer build date?...
Welcome to the boards, bozo089! I give you significant props for putting the Focus in your consideration set; feel very confident in pursuing one. The DCT will break-in and settle nicely over time. In addition, standard Torque Vectoring Control is a great safety feature which forces the front-end to hug the inside of each curve; check out the video: http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/features/#page=Feature5.

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I, as well as most people I have talked to on and off the forums, have had no issues with the DCT.

You will notice a difference, it doesn't feel exactly like a automatic transmission, but it does work just fine...
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Car and Driver chose the 2012 Focus as the year's top compact, even though C&D hates automatics on principle and really disliked the DCT in particular.

If you are used to driving an automatic, the Focus DCT is at least tolerable, and you'll adapt to it pretty quickly. You might even find you like it.
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...I have a manual, so I can't speak to the DCT, but I have MyFordTouch, which is the other thing people hate on, and I love it. I love my car enough that we bought a second one just like it.

It is an $18k car that gets 40mpg, fits a lot of stuff, and looks sharp...However, for the money, there is no better car.
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Don't let all complaints scare you away. For every person that feels the need to complain online, there are 10 more that are perfectly content that don't post online about it...
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I've driven good autos and I've driven 3 Focuses with the DCT and it's a so-so auto and is pretty good when it's got things worked out but the driving experience IMO was a bit boring and needs a proper manu-shift type stick instead of a little toggle...
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Test drive it under a variety of conditions first if you are uncomfortable. I haven't had problems with my DCT...and love the way the car handles. It has a lot in it for the price. Still, you driving it yourself is the only way you are really going to know if you like how it feels or not.
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I've had my car for two months and it now has 2k miles on it. I have had ZERO issues with the DCT. MFT is laggy at times and has a few bugs, but again I've had no serious issues with it. Aside from a few paint flaws I am very satisfied with my car and would buy again...
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It is a wonderful car with a huge amount of content for the price...You may see complaints on here, but I have NEVER had someone outside of this forum complain about their new Focus. They all love them.

I love mine. Is it perfect? No, but what car truly is? Make it your own and then it will be perfect for YOU.
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Don't let all the DCT stuff scare you away...While I have had a few instances of indecisiveness from the transmission, for the most part the car has been wonderful. Plus the handling is excellent.

Test drive one to make sure, but I would personally recommend the Focus to anyone.
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...Yes it drives differently that your average auto, but the flipside is it returns better MPG than a standard auto.

Everyone here is going to say buy it, Why? because we all love the focus. I have 2 myself a 04 and 12. But like any car it will have its quriks...
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It's a great car, but as you've noted there is a lot of discussion about the DCT and MFT. I don't have MFT so can't comment but I do have an 12/11 build DCT.

A lot of the DCT discussion here is a hangover the software these cars had early in their lives. There was certainly a problem as evidenced by several software and at least one hardware change. Field Service Action 12b37 is the latest software update and it has made a big difference for most...
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Definitely test drive it. If you are buying new, make sure you test drive it in a lot of conditions knowing that the transmission will get slightly better. If it's used, and has a lot of miles on it, it's going to be like that...
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I went from a 2000 Sedan SE to a 2012 HB SEL and I love it!

The DCT took a little bit to get used to and smooth out. (As an aside, the transmission finally smoothed out a bit around 1200 miles). The engine is great and makes a great noise for a 4-banger....
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There are good deals available right now on year-end leftovers of the 2012 Focus. That pushed me in the direction of a new one...the car drives and shifts smoothly, and we love it!
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I realize I'm in the minority here, but I would not suggest purchasing one unless you like to take risks. There have been more than a few here with problems that the software has not fixed, and three lemon laws claims filed here that I've seen...
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Why not rent one for a day or two?
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Based on what I've seen in many different forums, there isn't a single car out there that wouldn't be a risk to think about buying.

As for the Focus, risk can be reduced by getting a manual, no sunroof, and no MFT...
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It is a sharp looking car, The dct has been rock solid for me after I got the first tsb it fixed 99% of the problems.

Mft is substantially better after the new update...
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I have a lot of issues, but I do not think they represent the majority rather they represent the minority. I would find one you like and ask the dealer to take an extended test drive. Perhaps an entire weekend...
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...I have MFT and aside from the clock time changing twice and my phone needing a re-pair once it's been fine...

my only dissapointment is my city mileage isn't all that stellar (9-10L/100kms)...
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...May we ask what kind of usage you will be doing ? What kind of traffic will you do ? Rush hour trafic ? short commutes ?

I noticed you are from BC. What kind of winter conditions do you get on your end of the country ? I'm from the east coast (well, kinf of) and some winter conditions can be a source of irritation depending on your usage.
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...As for reliability, overall my ride has been fine. The DCT was much improved since the software update. I found out the hard way not to take it through an automatic car wash with brush rollers (took the plastic rain channel cover right off). The dealer replaced it under my initial 3yr/36000 mile warranty...
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I have had mine for 5 months and have 5100 miles on it. I had had zero problems and really enjoy how it drives. Went from an 03 Sonata and about 21 mpg to 32 mpg on a car that's a lot more fun to drive. Once I had the software update there have been no issues with the DCT...
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the issues generally were with the earlier build dates. the newer ones are pretty much problem free. go for it and you won't regret it.
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DON'T Wait until next year. Far too many problems now.
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...I liked the DCT from the start and have never had an issue, but I will say 12B37 made it better.

Post 12B37's will behave (for the most part) like a traditional automatic in "D". Sport mode is also greatly improved (if you happen to get one so equipped)...
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...a used 2012 Focus should reveal the noise -- between gears 1 and 2, and (less noticeable) between 2 and 3. Doesn't happen alli the time...

That aside, it's been a WONDERFUL vehicle to drive. The ride is great, mileage is great(er)... Ford says the noise is normal, I bought the extended warranty, the Cosby Show and Roseanne both lasted for 8 years... what's to complain about? Oh yeah, Roseanne's 9th was just a dream so it doesn't count...
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+1 to this ^
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You won't be disappointed. Get a manual. More fun.
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I absolutley wouldn't trade my '12 for anything unless it was an ST, I have no problems with my DCT and love driving the car, I drive in sport mode quite a bit and the shifting is smooth. I also never have problems with my Microsoft either...
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I would pass. Buy an elantra or altima
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Altima is not in the same category. And it has a CVT...
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The Elantra isn't even competitive against the Focus. Go look at comparos, most of the time our Focus is winning with flying colours...
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...people are quick to complain when they are upset, but not so quick to praise when happy. I work at the plant where the Focus is built and had NO problems with buying one. I have 1k miles on mine (I know not much yet) and no issues, not even jutter. Shifts are smooth and strong. No grinding into or out of first gear. MyFord Touch has had 0 crashes, Sync recognizes approximately 95% of my commands...I say have no fear take the plunge, and if for some reason something does go wrong, trust your dealership to make it right.... jsut make sure you pick a dealership with a good, reputable service department.
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Test drive one. Use it in Auto and Sport mode if you're getting an Automatic. Shift like a mofo. If you feel jerking, get away from that car. I, and others, suspect certain build date Foci to be problematic...
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I love mine today even more than I did when I bought it on June 8th. The DCT has given me no problems, although it did feel different than a conventional automatic. Having driven a few manuals, I knew the feeling was like driving an automatic manual...
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My focus has had a ton of problems but is of an earlier build. I can't say for sure how they run now but I would be cautious if I were you. Regardless of it being a newer build or not Ford is having problems that they can't seem to figure out a fix to right now. Maybe give it some time and wait until the kinks are worked out...
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I've got a mid-Feb build (so not a true Job 2 car). It's an SE Sport equipped with the 5 speed MTX-75 transmission. Other than the front suspension clunk and a coupe squeaks and what not this car is perfect. If you're that worried about the DCT, don't get it...
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Your feburary build would be a very late Job 1 car. Job 2 builds started 3/5/12 but it was not until 4/16/12 or so that they started to be built with the full number of changes including the four way head restraints and the flex fuel compatibility for non PZEV models...
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I just picked a 2012 titanium up for my wife we live it. The dtc is a bit funky at first but drives like a regular car after it learns your driving pattern
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I have a Titanium built in the last week of 2012 production and I'm telling you it is a FANTASTIC little car. If you understand what makes a dct different than a reg trans, you can fully love it as I do. Mine shifts so quickly when I'm excelerating hard that I get all giddy. It has zero rev loss and loses no momentum while shifting...
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I've owned a slightly used Dodge Neon, new Hyundai Elantra and now the Focus. All of them made it back to the dealer for warranty service in the first 6 month of ownership so to me, it's like a given and to be expected with ANY car. Unless of course I really just have bad luck. If I would have to chose between these three cars, I'd buy the Focus again in a heartbeat...
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You do know you can turn off the traction control yes/no?
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I agree with the no moon roof. After four attempts to fix the leak, it now leaks worse than it did originally. No help from Ford Customer Service so I don't know what my next step will be yet. The MyFord Touch definitely has some issues, not unexpected with software rushed out before all the bugs are worked out. I have 6K miles on my Focus and it has been in for a MFT upgrade, a transmission and roll back fix, attempts to fix the moon roof and, of all things, the Focus sign on the car was falling off, not glued properly to the car.
Hey everyone -

Thanks for making this a very active thread; I appreciate the honesty! If you haven't already, remember to claim this badge to show more Focus love: http://social.ford.com/grab-a-badge/focus/yes/.

If you're having any issues at all, please PM me your VIN, mileage, phone number, and dealer info; I'll look into them as soon as possible. Here's a link to save coin on routine service in the future: http://owner.ford.com/servlet/Conten...iceCouponsPage.

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You do know you can turn off the traction control yes/no?

Yeah, yeah, I know how to turn the thing off. I had to do it a few times to get out of snow banks. A more easily accesible turn off switch would have been nice instead of navigating tru the left steering pod. The problem (well, my problem) is not with the TCS...it's why it activate itself so easily.
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Yea I don't think he knows that,,,,


Especially when I had to leave my crescent in winter, I'd turn off TC and keep it in first. It dominated the snow like a champ and I never really got "stuck"

Also, if you aren't patient with the pedals and gentle, your Stability programs will interfere almost immediately anyways.
Yes, he knows that...
Once the car is in motion in the snow, it behaves very well. It's the way it lauches itself from a complete stop in severe winter road conditions. Or it may be me with my big winter boots, I dunno, I may not have yet found the ''sweet spot''.
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Yes, he knows that...
Once the car is in motion in the snow, it behaves very well. It's the way it lauches itself from a complete stop in severe winter road conditions. Or it may be me with my big winter boots, I dunno, I may not have yet found the ''sweet spot''.
I might be weird, but since I always park inside I tend to not even wear shoes on my trip out.

Plus, driving without shoes is generally more awesome anyways.
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My focus has had a ton of problems but is of an earlier build. I can't say for sure how they run now but I would be cautious if I were you. Regardless of it being a newer build or not Ford is having problems that they can't seem to figure out a fix to right now. Maybe give it some time and wait until the kinks are worked out.

I have to admit I love the look of the car and the packages offered with it seem to have a slight edge over the competitors... but mine started having a ton of problems after a year of ownership. Granted it's still drivable. I don't know how new cars work, for this is my first, but I've never heard of so many people having problems with a car that the manufacturer is unwilling to fix.

Whatever you do take your time.
Yeah, that is a scary situation....when the car acts up after a year of ownership.

I'd like to thank everyone for the great responses and suggestions. I went to test drive a Focus hatch and thought it was absolutely amazing!

I found some good deals at non-ford dealerships, but I am concerned that if I was to buy one would Ford dealers help me with servicing, updates, etc. Would it make a difference if I did not buy from them or will all Ford dealers help with that stuff?

Also, before purchasing, would Ford dealerships allow me to bring the car in so they could take a look at it and make sure nothing is wrong?
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Yeah, that is a scary situation....when the car acts up after a year of ownership.

I'd like to thank everyone for the great responses and suggestions. I went to test drive a Focus hatch and thought it was absolutely amazing!

I found some good deals at non-ford dealerships, but I am concerned that if I was to buy one would Ford dealers help me with servicing, updates, etc. Would it make a difference if I did not buy from them or will all Ford dealers help with that stuff?

Also, before purchasing, would Ford dealerships allow me to bring the car in so they could take a look at it and make sure nothing is wrong?
So you're looking at used cars then? Well as long as its under warranty I don't see why the Ford dealers would refuse to service it, or to service it in general since they are trained at how to service the car.

As long as the first dealer is willing to allow you to take the car someplace else for an inspection I don't see why the Ford dealer wouldn't inspect the car for a nominal fee.
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