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Old 08-22-2012, 11:43 AM   #11
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Sure, the clutch plate itself is either engaged or disengaged, but the bearing and spring are under pressure when the clutch is pushed down right?. I'm not a mechanic, so I could be wrong. Anecdotally...I've had the same truck for 14 years and I'm still on the original clutch.
I've gone over 200,000 miles on a clutch before, and I keep the clutch disengaged (depressed) and the shifter in 1st gear at all stops. You can argue either way on this, and there are clear benefits to both methods. Let me ask you this--have you ever heard of anyone wearing out a throwout (release) bearing or pressure plate prematurely, before the clutch disc is worn out? It's never happened to me or anyone that I know, and my method is harder on the throwout bearing. Neither method wears the clutch disc any faster than the other, so the life of the clutch should be virtually the same either way.

Incidentally, the reason I do it the way I do is mostly out of habit, having driven older transmissions that didn't like to go into gear at a complete stop. So, I slide into first just as I'm rolling to a stop. I also like to be ready to go in case I need to get out of anyone's way in an emergency. That actually saved me once when I was sitting at a stoplight and a tractor-trailer crested a hill behind me and failed to stop in time.

Back on topic--all of the issues reported by the OP seem normal to my car, except for the SYNC issues.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:53 PM   #12
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Thanks for the info guys.

Sounds like I'll be talking with the salesman about setting up a time to get the vent "incorrectness" looked at. If I could just keep my feet warm in sandals while the A/C is on I would be a happy camper. I also don't want to melt my shoes in the winer time with hot air. This hasn't been a problem on ANY of my previous cars (most GM with 2 Fords in there)

The issue with the idle for me is that it isn't consitent, and I can't figure out what the "trigger" is. Sometimes I get the raised idle with clutch in, sometimes I don't. I thought it might be some sort of "hill start assist" feature, but it isn't consistent with the car being on a gradient.

Sounds like I might need to un-pair, then re-pair my phone and try again to see if the disconnect lag goes away. I've been doing some reading, and it appears to have fixed a good deal of problems for others. If only the voice commands with the windows down at a stoplight (or at speed on the expressway) didn't make me look like a raving lunatic talking to nobody in particular. :D :D
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:18 PM   #13
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If only the voice commands with the windows down at a stoplight (or at speed on the expressway) didn't make me look like a raving lunatic talking to nobody in particular. :D :D
Not to worry - plenty of people with bluetooth earpieces for cel phones are doing that already.
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:32 PM   #14
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The issue with the idle for me is that it isn't consitent, and I can't figure out what the "trigger" is. Sometimes I get the raised idle with clutch in, sometimes I don't. I thought it might be some sort of "hill start assist" feature, but it isn't consistent with the car being on a gradient.
It's isn't for hill start, and it isn't an issue--it's a feature. The fuel consumption is less at the ~660 RPM low idle, and ~900 RPM is for smoother launches from a stop. There would be more of a tendency for a "stumble" off the line starting at the low idle.

I can tell you exactly when it increases idle RPM. There are two scenarios, both of which coincide with launching from a stop. Try these scenarios and, if everything is in working order, you will see that is indeed consistent:

1. At a stop, in neutral, foot off the clutch, engine is at low RPM. As the clutch is depressed, RPM increases in anticipation of shifting to first gear, engaging the clutch and moving forward.

2. At a stop, in first gear, foot on the brake, clutch depressed, engine is at low RPM. As your foot comes off the brake, RPM increases in anticipation of engaging the clutch and moving forward.
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It's isn't for hill start, and it isn't an issue--it's a feature.
Now you sound like Bill Gates - just kidding!!!
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Now you sound like Bill Gates - just kidding!!!
I did feel a little strange when I typed that. Now I know why!
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I'll give those a try on the way home. While a feature (not an issue it seems), it's still odd behaviour as compared to every other manual trans car I've ever owned/driven. While not as drastic as the DCT issues it appears the Manual is not without it's own learning curve!

With that said, it seems like an "aid" for those unaccustomed to a relatively low torque motor and manual transmission. If any of you have driven a Mazda RX8 (or the RX7 of years past), you will certainly know the pain of relearning to use a clutch with a VERY low torque motor. That was the hardest car I've ever driven in terms of "smooth start" clutch work.
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With that said, it seems like an "aid" for those unaccustomed to a relatively low torque motor and manual transmission.
I would agree with you here, and IMO it might also help the seemingly slower response from the throttle-by-wire system, vs. the quicker response from a cable system.

Another "nanny"-type aid to help less-experienced drivers that you may not have noticed yet is how the computer drastically slows the drop of RPMs between gear changes. For me, this required a "brain reset" to relearn how to drive this car smoothly in comparison to the many other manual-trans vehicles I drive or have driven in the past.

It's a lot different than the rod-linkage, carbureted 289 w/three speed in my '67 Bronco, thats for sure!
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It's more an aid to deal with the drive-by-wire throttle lag. I've driven stick for years, and I've been able to adapt to most cars without an issue. DBW technology has gotten better over time, of course, but nothing beats a well lubricated physical cable between your foot and the throttle body.

My own Focus exhibited an occasional lag issue with accelerating from a dead stop. Most of the time it was fine, but I had a couple moments when the throttle lagged and the car fell on its face and scared the crap out of me because I wasn't expecting it.

So, I had the latest reflash done on my car that was supposed to eliminate the issue (and also fix my non-working OCI light). My car now raises the RPM to ~900-950 when I come off the brakes. Makes a huge difference in driveability.

The throttle hang between gears, though, is something I can do without. It drives me nuts.
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