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Old 07-29-2012, 05:00 PM   #41
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I never implied any of that. Just stated I don't want a Japanese motorcycle.
I'm just a believer in the adage "Be American, Buy American". Which I do as often as I can. If all Americans did this, I believe our economy would be a lot better than it is.
The only problem with that old adage is, most "American" products are now partially (or wholly) made in other countries now. You can probably count on one hand how many (major products) are totally and completely made in the USA.... I find it funny, how many modern VW's have more North American content in them, than a lot of our beloved Fords.....
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:10 PM   #42
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The only problem with that old adage is, most "American" products are now partially (or wholly) made in other countries now. You can probably count on one hand how many (major products) are totally and completely made in the USA.... I find it funny, how many modern VW's have more North American content in them, than a lot of our beloved Fords.....
The "made in china" olympic uniforms are a prime example. Nothing like wearing uniforms made in another country to represent your nation in the olympics!
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The only problem with that old adage is, most "American" products are now partially (or wholly) made in other countries now. You can probably count on one hand how many (major products) are totally and completely made in the USA.... I find it funny, how many modern VW's have more North American content in them, than a lot of our beloved Fords.....
Unfortunately, this is true. However, I feel that the corporate profits go to an American company thus being more beneful to the betterment of the nation.
Just my opinion.
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Unfortunately, this is true. However, I feel that the corporate profits go to an American company thus being more beneful to the betterment of the nation.
Just my opinion.
Corporations that use this money on what? Bonuses for executive individuals... especially the auto industry... hence why they needed a bailout. They were so focused on their bonuses and getting paid that they lost focus on the customer and their employees. We had sub-par American made cars for years while the CEOs, CFOs, board members, etc. reaped the benefits.

I don't want that to be the result of corporate profits, but I agree that it's nice seeing the money come back to us. That said... I wish they'd use that profit to bring more jobs home.
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Corporations that use this money on what? Bonuses for executive individuals... especially the auto industry... hence why they needed a bailout. They were so focused on their bonuses and getting paid that they lost focus on the customer and their employees. We had sub-par American made cars for years while the CEOs, CFOs, board members, etc. reaped the benefits.

I don't want that to be the result of corporate profits, but I agree that it's nice seeing the money come back to us. That said... I wish they'd use that profit to bring more jobs home.
No, they needed a bailout because of all the promises made to the unions over the decades. It's the benefits that went to the workers, relative to their non-union competition counterparts, that did the US automakers in. It's great the workers were paid so well but it was unsustainable given the competition.

The below-average product quality didn't help.
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Whoa, we're getting way off topic.
This veer started by me stating that the Japanese motorcycle companies started copying the American theme to try to gain revenues in that specific market. Thus being unoriginal.

Afterthought: Ford took no government bail-out.
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No, they needed a bailout because of all the promises made to the unions over the decades. It's the benefits that went to the workers, relative to their non-union competition counterparts, that did the US automakers in. It's great the workers were paid so well but it was unsustainable given the competition.

The below-average product quality didn't help.
Okay, be that as it may... bogus bonuses, higher salaries (I remember reading something to the effect that auto industry executives make more money when pooled together then the line workers all combined) and empty promises all add up to create a problem, all 3 are a factor when you ask me.

So it's all an issue. This is the case with most greedy corporations as well.
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As you can plainly see, they look very similar. Automobile manufactors have been "copying" each others vehicles for years.
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As you can plainly see, they look very similar. Automobile manufactors have been "copying" each others vehicles for years.
I was about to bring the Astra up. They look strikingly similar
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No, they needed a bailout because of all the promises made to the unions over the decades. It's the benefits that went to the workers, relative to their non-union competition counterparts, that did the US automakers in. It's great the workers were paid so well but it was unsustainable given the competition.

The below-average product quality didn't help.
You mean the same benefits negotiated by and agreed to by all U.S. auto company management? I've always said that the anti-labor sentiment is wrong headed and I'll say it again with Labor Day coming up. The evidence for this is that marketing costs per car have always been far more than the total UAW costs per car on U.S. automobiles yet we never hear about how the marketing depts. costs have made the companies uncompetitive. It's just cranky old anti-unionism that makes this biased and inaccurate anti-union assertion. As far as quality, once the auto companies started to take it seriously U.S. built cars have been as good or better than cars built anywhere else.
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