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Old 08-05-2012, 11:30 AM   #61
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Why such a low price?? Because you can't offset the less efficiency with E85 until the cost is drastically cut. You lose over 10-12 MPG running E85, but there is only roughly a 10-15 cent difference to regular. Basic math and logic here.
Nick, I must be a good driver----I'm getting 31.5mpg driving 60 to 70Mph with the air on with summer blend E85. According to your logic, I'd be in the mid 40's if I put straight 87 E0 in---right now it is priced at $3.529 here in town. E10 is 13 pennies less. The E85 that is in the tank cost $2.899 IIRC.
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Must be a huge break there from here in VA. Right now E85 is, I believe $3.11 a gallon. I ran a full tank of E85 just to try it out and at best seen 26 MPG for the tank, down about 10-12 MPG I see running E10 (93 or 87).
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:55 AM   #63
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E85 is supposedly pretty awesome in FI cars running high boost...
True. Many of my buddies with higher boost/power are running.ethanol. it works better and helps produce more power. Its a bitch to start in cold winters but a lot better in summer.
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Old 08-05-2012, 12:02 PM   #64
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Must be a huge break there from here in VA. Right now E85 is, I believe $3.11 a gallon. I ran a full tank of E85 just to try it out and at best seen 26 MPG for the tank, down about 10-12 MPG I see running E10 (93 or 87).
One tank probably isn't enough to let the computer adapt and if you are doing nothing but short trips I will admit it probably isn't the best. I try not to use the Focus unless I'm going at least 25 miles away from home. My sister lives a few miles from Phillips Petroleum just north of the York River bridge----looking forward to getting E85 there before to long.
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:23 PM   #65
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Why such a low price?? Because you can't offset the less efficiency with E85 until the cost is drastically cut. You lose over 10-12 MPG running E85, but there is only roughly a 10-15 cent difference to regular. Basic math and logic here.

Nick, I must be a good driver----I'm getting 31.5mpg driving 60 to 70Mph with the air on with summer blend E85. According to your logic, I'd be in the mid 40's if I put straight 87 E0 in---right now it is priced at $3.529 here in town. E10 is 13 pennies less. The E85 that is in the tank cost $2.899 IIRC.
Ok.. we have some numbers here... My best tank doing mostly highway has been 47mpg from my focus. this was with summer E0 87 octane in the focus... with air on the same trip was about 42.8 MPG

You: 31.5 mpg with the air on.. (Not sure your route)
Me : 42.8 mph with the air on...(My route was IA Hwy 13 north to US 52, up a county blacktop to IA Hwy 9 to the Mississippi River at Lansing.. then back to Dubuque following the Great River Road on the Wisconsin Side then US 151 back home. There are some MONSTER hills on this route... almost like small mountains but thats beside the point)...

Fact. Our focuses hold 12 gallons of fuel.
You should get 378 miles out of a tank.. at 2.90 a gallon yields.. 9.2 cents per mile...

Me.. 514 miles out of a tank.. at 3.53 a gallon yields... 8.2 cents per mile...

How is it we both have the same car A 2012 focus.. both doing highway miles at between 60 and 70 MPH..
You run E85 at 63 cents cheaper per gallon that I am paying for 87 E0 yet you still pay 1 cent per mile MORE than i do?

your E85 simply uses more than my E0 87 and COSTS more to use...

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Update, I was wrong on the prices of E10 and E0 in my town in a previous post. 87 octane E0 is $3.629 and 89 octane E10 $3.499. Evidently the pipeline problem in Wisconsin must be affecting us also and not just Chicago and Michigan or it is just a good excuse to jack the price. I haven't been to get E85 the last few day so don't know if it has gone up or not---I'm betting not since we have a glut of ethanol right now in this country.
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Old 08-05-2012, 03:12 PM   #67
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Chad, just figured the updated prices and you still beat me by a little. Two more thoughts though. My car has 2100 miles( not sure about yours) on it so hopefully will get a little better with more miles and the world price of crude is lower thanks to some aircraft carries and fighter jets whose cost isn't figured into the pump price.
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Ran some more numbers... based on 87 octane E0 at 3.53 a gallon
E85 would have to be priced at 2.58 a gallon to match the cost per mile of E0 87. and in a 500 mile trip, running E85 requires 1 fuel stop where the E0 does not.
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Chad, just figured the updated prices and you still beat me by a little. Two more thoughts though. My car has 2100 miles( not sure about yours) on it so hopefully will get a little better with more miles and the world price of crude is lower thanks to some aircraft carries and fighter jets whose cost isn't figured into the pump price.
basically bottom line to me is I'm cheap... if you can get E85 down where it is the same cost per mile or cheaper than gasoline... then it makes sense to use it.. I realize, Ethanol makers and corn growers are in the game to make money and i don't have a problem with that.. the problem i see is, in order to get ethanol down where it can compete with gasoline on purely a cost basis, the corn farmers and ethanol guys arent making a profit anymore because their costs to make it is higher than that... and to make something at a loss just to compete dont make sense.. I "love" ethanol in my drinking glass.. but not my gas.. just on cost basis alone. I'm not against ethanol just to be against ethanol.. ethanol has its place.. and its very useful for what its great at doing.

Mine is currently at 10,000 right now... when i ran my initial test without A/C it was at the mid 6000 mark.. and the A/C test was around the high 8000 low 9000 mark.. My 42 mpg numbers were also after my 17" wheels were installed.. my 47mpg was when still running the ugly 15's...
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Ethanol is a gimmick by the corn industry to offset their losses from the HUGE BAN HFCS thing going on. Hell HFCS is one thing that got America FAT. Sugar Cane Ethanol is safer and cheaper to manufacture, but the Corn traders will try to not let that happen. Give me back my high Octane NORMAL gas. If they try to push more Ethanol in all cars, then sooooo many would be death traps. unless you have a Flex Fuel vehicle. F' that lol
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