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Old 08-01-2012, 12:47 PM   #51
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I ran E85 on my Evo for more boost and additional timing. E85 is jesus juice. Stuff is amazing for performance on turbo cars.
You speak the truth.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:49 PM   #52
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Ethanol is just another farm subside, has nothing to do with anything else. The flex fuel focus gets 10 mpg less on e85 than e0.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:01 PM   #53
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Ethanol is just another farm subside, has nothing to do with anything else. The flex fuel focus gets 10 mpg less on e85 than e0.
10 mpg less than E10, the base mpg figure isn't based on E0 since E0 is essentially not available in the U.S. due to the requirements for x % of ethanol in the fuel consumed in the U.S. due to the EPA and other government regulations.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:16 PM   #54
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Yeah until E85 gets to around $2.25 a gallon to offset the less efficiency, E85 is a useless feature of these cars.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:31 PM   #55
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Yeah until E85 gets to around $2.25 a gallon to offset the less efficiency, E85 is a useless feature of these cars.
This, or until the government forces greater than 10-15% ethanol like they were pushing for. Then you will be glad that the car has this compatibility when they basically try and outlaw e0-e10 and basically destroy older cars.

Stupid EPA.
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Yeah until E85 gets to around $2.25 a gallon to offset the less efficiency, E85 is a useless feature of these cars.
Why such a low price for E85? A guy on the E85 forum just posted that gas in the Chicago area is up to $4.20 a gallon since the oil pipeline in Wisconsin popped and spewed lots of oil everywhere. I guess it is some really nasty stuff from Canada. Also, it amazes me that I've been doing something that doesn't work for up to 11 years depending on the vehicle----using E30 to E50 in unmodified early 1990's Toyota, Ford, and 2000 Buick.
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Also, it amazes me that I've been doing something that doesn't work for up to 11 years depending on the vehicle----using E30 to E50 in unmodified early 1990's Toyota, Ford, and 2000 Buick.
Those vehicles will start and run on E30 and E50 but...
since they are not calibrated to run that high of a concentration of ethanol, and not to mention the lower energy content of ethanol over straight gasoline, they will not have the optimum fuel economy running your chosen fuel over standard E0 87 octane. They simply will burn more fuel to drive the same distance, you been spending more than you need to per mile of operation... bottom line. but hey, its your money...

The data doesn't lie...

Ethanol blended fuel simply does not yield the same fuel mileage as straight gasoline does, I don't care what you run it in...

Even diesels that were tested with ethanol had a dramatic drop in mileage.

Every test i've seen online has documented a loss in mileage...
The higher the % of ethanol the lower the mileage...

as well as every test i have run myself...

I am "cheap" so i want the maximum distance per unit cost as I can get, and ethanol just doesn't deliver (Even with my Focus).. The only reason I am running ethanol at all is because the stations around me only sell premium fuel with ethanol in it. granted, my car runs smoother with the higher octane but my mileage has dropped.

I am not a big supporter of Oil.. nor am i a supporter of ethanol.. I don't care what I run in my car as long as it does what i want it to and does it as cheap as possible...

I gave ethanol a fair shot in my tests... and the results just weren't there..

even Hydrogen works better than ethanol does and is cheaper per mile to run..
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Chad, do you have any personal experience with E30? Since we have a blender pump in a town 10 miles away, I have been filling there instead of splash blending with E85. I use the 1995 Aspire to knock around locally between farms and it never gets more than 10 miles away from home. Just the other day I drove it 8 miles and pulled some weeds, then drove it 3/4 of a mile to pull some more. Lots of out to the airport a mile and a half away. Anyway, I consider that like city driving---lots of starts and stops. I looked up the mileage ratings for when it was new---probably no ethanol back then either---and it was 36 city and 42 highway. Guess what, the last 4 tanks from the blender pump yielded 39 point something. You should try it instead of talking theory, others have proven that the higher octane of E30 compensates for the lower energy. The oil stays looking new much longer also.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:36 AM   #59
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if your looking for Eo or ethanol-free gas try the website below think its worth the extra 10 cents a gallon i pay for it ,car runs better avg 2-3 more mpgs compared to E10

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp
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Why such a low price for E85? A guy on the E85 forum just posted that gas in the Chicago area is up to $4.20 a gallon since the oil pipeline in Wisconsin popped and spewed lots of oil everywhere. I guess it is some really nasty stuff from Canada. Also, it amazes me that I've been doing something that doesn't work for up to 11 years depending on the vehicle----using E30 to E50 in unmodified early 1990's Toyota, Ford, and 2000 Buick.
Why such a low price?? Because you can't offset the less efficiency with E85 until the cost is drastically cut. You lose over 10-12 MPG running E85, but there is only roughly a 10-15 cent difference to regular. Basic math and logic here.
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