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Old 07-12-2012, 10:22 AM   #21
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Anyhow, be SURE to test drive your potential Focus AFTER DARK. You may find, like us, that the glare of the SYNC and the MFT displays are so overwhelming after dark, that any night vision you might ever hope to have is completely GONE!!!!
I did notice that on the Titanium that I test drove, but don't notice it as much with the smaller 4" (I think) screen on my SE w/SYNC. I think it is because it is set a little deeper into the console (shrouded) it doesn't seem to catch a glare.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:26 AM   #22
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do you think Ford will iron out all the technical issues with the PowerShift and MyFordTouch and get this car ironclad and rock solid for the long run?

I really think this car is getting a bad rap for really minor issues. MFT has essentially been fixed. The dual clutch tranny feels a little different than a traditionally automatic, but nothing that is like "oh my god".

I think this stuff gets so blown out of proportion on sites like this is laughable.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:31 AM   #23
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We have had our Titanium since March, and now have a bit over 7,000 miles on it. We really like the car in general, and have no need or expectation that Ford should do anything further whatsoever.

Having said that, if I could have my way, I would rip out the entire dash board and start over with all the displays and controls. MFT would be the first thing I would dump. We long for the day of simple knobs and switches. But we perhaps are Luddites.

Anyhow, be SURE to test drive your potential Focus AFTER DARK. You may find, like us, that the glare of the SYNC and the MFT displays are so overwhelming after dark, that any night vision you might ever hope to have is completely GONE!!!!

Ford can't revert to the basic radio and heater/AC controls of old -- the market won't let them, so they have to make MFT work. This IS a fixable problem but it might involve, at least for some, a hardware change as well as a software update. Again, if Ford were to toss in the towel on MFT and just offer old style radio and heater/AC controls they will lose market share faster than a banker can lose/steal your money!


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Old 07-12-2012, 11:53 AM   #24
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Ok, I've lurked long enough. My 5drTi has a build date of 01/12. The DCT was updated with the recall...seemed much crisper and smoother at first, maybe not so much now...still love it. I learned how to drive with a m/t some 35 yrs ago and it was many cars later before I ever bought an automatic and have always had a m/t around. All that said, I was ready to go "auto" and I'm glad I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got to realize it's not a typical auto, but it's not totally alien either.

As far as MFT.....its got glitches for sure, but I'd buy it again tomorrow if I were shopping. It helps complete the "this isn't your standard econobox" feeling of the new Focus.

I can only think of two other cars in this class I'd pick over the one I'm driving: A 2013 Focus 5drTi.....more standard equip..with the 2-tone leather this time...The other is the Focus ST.....but only when they decide to offer it with a DCT.

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P.s. Forgot to mention I've owned a lot of vehicles.....first Ford I ever bought.
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:58 AM   #25
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For what it's worth, I've had just as many problems (more, actually) since the new APIM was installed.

I think the real issue is that - even with a new APIM - something is stored somewhere in the system that is *not* truly or fully wiped with a re-installation. Seems as though most people on here with a happy MFT system bought their car with v3.0.2 installed at the factory. My car's a 12/2011 build and had MFT v2.11 when I bought it at the beginning of January.

Just wanted to comment on your point about faulty h/w.

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MFT aside, I love most things about this car. And I'm in the same boat as the OP (though I'm already an owner) in that I keep cars for a long time - 10 years is the goal with the Focus. So, for my own sake if nothing else, I sure hope Ford fixes everything and I'm not up a creek once the warranty runs out!
On the contrary, I have a June 2011 build and mine had v2.10 from the Factory, even through 2 updates (2.11 and 3.0.2) my MFT has been more or less tame. I have had some issues and I am on the bandwagon now that Ford needs to get this system fixed and mainly bug free, or atleast fix all of the issues that are 100% replicable every time, but on the whole, through two "major" updates and having what is now considered an early build, MFT has been fine for me, no replacements needed whatsoever.

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Ford can't revert to the basic radio and heater/AC controls of old -- the market won't let them, so they have to make MFT work. This IS a fixable problem but it might involve, at least for some, a hardware change as well as a software update. Again, if Ford were to toss in the towel on MFT and just offer old style radio and heater/AC controls they will lose market share faster than a banker can lose/steal your money!


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Ford HAS traditional AC controls, so that side of things is moot. Even the "automated" HVAC controls in the SEL/Titanium are what I consider "traditional" and I actually like them a lot, buttons for the vents/recirc/etc. is nice rather than just another dial, and it's nice to be able to just tap them and get them blowing in whatever combination you choose. Dual-zone climate control is nice too.

That said, I don't think the traditional buttons and knobs will ever go out of style, I think you'll always have a large part of the buying groups who want the simplicity they offer. This is why the Focus S and SE, and even SEL w/ MyFord (non MFT) all have the traditional buttons and knobs.

There's a premium or more upscale market segment that is going to favor the touchscreen controls and voice operated commands and whatnot, but I believe there will always be a market for the basics as well, Ford knows this and that's why they still make models that cater to those buyers.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:05 PM   #26
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My build date was 4/16/12. Titanium with the handling package and 18" wheels. All options except for the parking assist and anything related to winter (heated seats/ mirrors...no need in So Cal). I've had zero issues with the tranny or suspension. I think the best description of the MFT is "quirky". It can be a bit frustrating at times, but Ford will continue to update it - their investment in the future of the tech ology is obvious and I expect it to continue to improve.

One thing I will tell you is this: people rarely talk about their positive experiences, but everyone wants to vent about their negative ones. So while I don't doubt that every problem on here is legit, I will tell you that those logging them out are a minority. Not sure how small of a minority, but it bears keeping in mind.

The other thing I will mention is their is a huge number of Ford owners with massive miles and years on their Ford cars. They appear to be built to last. I haven't owned a domestic car since the late 80s, but I am sold on Ford.

If you have any reservations, I would say you are approaching it the right way. Good luck!

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Im perplexed by all the comments people have regarding MFT issues. I am not saying I have not had a few gllitches....but only a few.

Maybe I have got really lucky, but I can't complain about my MFT at all. This could be due to the fact that I have worked in the cell phone industry for 15 years and as such, I am used to glitchy electronics.

In any event, I have had zero serious issues with my MFT. The bluetooth itself (coming again from a cell phone guy) I have lots to complain about. Having said that, I think that is just bluetooth technology in general, and I don't blame ford, I blame bluetooth :)
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:06 PM   #28
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On the contrary, I have a June 2011 build and mine had v2.10 from the Factory, even through 2 updates (2.11 and 3.0.2) my MFT has been more or less tame. I have had some issues and I am on the bandwagon now that Ford needs to get this system fixed and mainly bug free, or atleast fix all of the issues that are 100% replicable every time, but on the whole, through two "major" updates and having what is now considered an early build, MFT has been fine for me, no replacements needed whatsoever.
I think we're actually basically agreeing in different words. I didn't state it very well but my point is that even though some of us had had hardware replacements (e.g. Ford recommending a new APIM in my car to fix Nav SD Card Faults) those aren't really the source of the problems. That or there's something much deeper, a part of the hardware architecture itself, causing the problem.

Either way, I think they Ford needs to figure out how to truly force a *complete* wipe of the system. Seems like it's randomly retained settings buried somewhere deep inside that are the source of many issues.
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(e.g. Ford recommending a new APIM in my car to fix Nav SD Card Faults) those aren't really the source of the problems. That or there's something much deeper, a part of the hardware architecture itself, causing the problem.

Either way, I think they Ford needs to figure out how to truly force a *complete* wipe of the system. Seems like it's randomly retained settings buried somewhere deep inside that are the source of many issues.
Totally agree. Mine was to fix voice command problems, not Nav problems but after two failed reinstalls, their automatic go-to solution was "replace APIM" as well. Did nothing. I lean toward the second half of your statement because I have the same hardware (well, except for the new APIM) that I had prior to the update and voice worked fine (more than fine, great) then. Not so now.
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Never had an issue. As others have stated, the DCT is not a low-speed oriented trandmission. Ask a Lambo owner how much they enjoy any speed/RPM under 65/4000 or so...not a pretty gear change lol...the DCT was originally developed to handle fast gear changes, with a side effect of better efficiency in the drive train, definitely not a gearbox meant for putting around town. I applaud ford for trying it out, as others are going that route in the name of efficiency as well.

No other problems with the car either. In fact, it really does handle better than any other front drive car I have owned. I love taking a cloverleaf on ramp at 50+, and showing the MiniCooper S drivers that they arent the go-cart they thought they were. I had and emergency handling situation that I swore was going to end in an accident (not a fast on ramp attack lol, but being cut off hard on the interstate in the middle lane). But stability control took me to safety without taking me out of the equation. And just check out the accidents that have occured, with much larger vehicles, and how many of those passengers walked away from a totalled focus (most of them).

A perfect car? No. Cabin is tight (protruding dash etc)..but thats compared to the old focus. Some panel fit and gap alignment issues. MFT is sometimes a pain (I avoided it). But hey, there continues to be no free lunch, just a very tasty one at a decent price, which is what the new Focus has been so far.

Reading forums is no way to acess a car's reliability. How often are people going to run out and praise their car's reliability? It works great for most, and thats why they bought it, so no jumping up and down over something that satifies them. In retail, the statistics show that a dissatisfied cutomer will tell 13 people about their crappy experience. So, when you get a bunch of complaints on a forum, there are likely 1000 more people that have 0 issues. PLus, it seems Focus owners are more "car people" than those on the Hyundai Elantra forums, so they are likely more attuned to their car and its workings, and much more likely to seek out a solution or at least voice their concerns.

The internet has made many things more clear, and many more unclear...Try one for yourself, and then post your concerns lol!
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