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Old 04-29-2013, 10:14 AM   #311
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What about time duration? People have been saying to do it every 3000-5000 miles. Over the course of the year I might not drive 5000 miles. Should the oil still be changed every 6 months/year/other length of time?

I would switch to a high quality synthetic oil of your choice, and change it once a year.

I am now using the XL product from Amsoil. I will change it after 10, 000 miles.
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In the oil debate people are always saying things like “I changed oil on my 1995 XYZ every 3000 miles and after 285,000 miles the engine was still running fine”, but nobody has ever said “I changed oil every 10,000 miles and the engine wore out at 120,000 miles”. In fact, I’ve never seen any evidence whatsoever, not even an anecdote, that changing oil at the manufacturer’s recommended interval ever caused an engine to wear out before the rest of the car did.

The 1996 Consumer Reports New York taxi oil study is the most comprehensive oil change study ever done, testing 75 cabs in the most severe driving conditions over 60,000 miles. They found no difference in measured internal engine wear, sludge or varnish between 3000, 6000, or even 12,000 mile oil change intervals, and no difference between different brands of oil or even between conventional and synthetic oils. CR recommends a 7500 mile interval unless the manufacturer states otherwise.

As to those still clinging to a 3000 interval, since you have no evidence to justify that interval then why not a 2000, or even a 1000 mile interval? You might as well recommend having a dashboard Jesus to ward off car repairs.
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I did change my oil on my Montero after 2000 miles after I pulled a trailer for 1500 miles of that. Granted that was an older vehicle with 80k miles at the time.

As per the focus, this is what the oil looks like at a little more than 500 miles, hard to know but I guess it could use a change, doesn't look particularly clean to me.
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In the oil debate people are always saying things like “I changed oil on my 1995 XYZ every 3000 miles and after 285,000 miles the engine was still running fine”, but nobody has ever said “I changed oil every 10,000 miles and the engine wore out at 120,000 miles”. In fact, I’ve never seen any evidence whatsoever, not even an anecdote, that changing oil at the manufacturer’s recommended interval ever caused an engine to wear out before the rest of the car did.

The 1996 Consumer Reports New York taxi oil study is the most comprehensive oil change study ever done, testing 75 cabs in the most severe driving conditions over 60,000 miles. They found no difference in measured internal engine wear, sludge or varnish between 3000, 6000, or even 12,000 mile oil change intervals, and no difference between different brands of oil or even between conventional and synthetic oils. CR recommends a 7500 mile interval unless the manufacturer states otherwise.

As to those still clinging to a 3000 interval, since you have no evidence to justify that interval then why not a 2000, or even a 1000 mile interval? You might as well recommend having a dashboard Jesus to ward off car repairs.
You're dead on. Even better, just use the gauge that the car manufacturer put in your car, that keeps track of RPMs, time, miles,etc and tells you when it wants an oil change?

To people who think they need 3K, there have been a lot of advances in precision machining, materials, design, etc that just make that a silly waste of time and money.

My dealership has a lifetime warranty on my car's engine if i get the oil changed there (which is free). They certainly don't think the engine will wear out because they will replace it if it does. The rest of the car will be dead long before that.

So waste your money and time if you want, i'll just go by what the car's meter says and trust the people who built it.
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Even better, just use the gauge that the car manufacturer put in your car, that keeps track of RPMs, time, miles,etc and tells you when it wants an oil change?
IMO, that is not good advice, and could cause a warranty issue. The manual specifically describes oil change intervals like this: "As indicated by the message center: do not exceed one year or 10,000 miles." So, if you only follow the intelligent oil life monitor system, and you disregard the 10,000 mile/1 year maximum, you would not be following the recommended oil change interval.

Since I put more than 10,000 miles on the car in a year, and my oil monitor has never alerted me, I just change at 10,000 mile intervals (with Pennzoil Ultra & Purolator PureOne oversized filter). It's easy to keep track of at that interval, and used oil analysis has shown that the oil is still performing very well at that point (~3 TBN). 3,000 mile changes are totally unnecessary, even with syn blend.

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As per the focus, this is what the oil looks like at a little more than 500 miles, hard to know but I guess it could use a change, doesn't look particularly clean to me.
The color of oil is irrelative to the protection it is providing an engine.
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IMO, that is not good advice, and could cause a warranty issue. The manual specifically describes oil change intervals like this: "As indicated by the message center: do not exceed one year or 10,000 miles." So, if you only follow the intelligent oil life monitor system, and you disregard the 10,000 mile/1 year maximum, you would not be following the recommended oil change interval.

Since I put more than 10,000 miles on the car in a year, and my oil monitor has never alerted me, I just change at 10,000 mile intervals (with Pennzoil Ultra & Purolator PureOne oversized filter). It's easy to keep track of at that interval, and used oil analysis has shown that the oil is still performing very well at that point (~3 TBN). 3,000 mile changes are totally unnecessary, even with syn blend.



The color of oil is irrelative to the protection it is providing an engine.
But the color of the oil (granted I don't know what this specific oil looked like new) could be a good indicator of it needing to be changed. As was said, this oil has only 500 (now 600) miles on it but the car was built in september of 2011 so... that's a long time even though there isn't many miles on it.
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Amsoil did the same Las Vegas Taxi study. Mobeeeellll 1 can't come close to the longevity of Amsoil Signature Series.

Also, when you leave a lubricant in a cars engine (that is new...not driven), over time....the base stock will oxidize causing the viscosity to increase. This is why oil has a time and mileage interval. True synthetic base stock oxidize much slower than cheaper base stocks.
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But the color of the oil (granted I don't know what this specific oil looked like new) could be a good indicator of it needing to be changed.
It could, but it's highly unlikely. I've seen black oil come back with good numbers from an oil analysis many times.

Mileage and/or time (as you mention) should be the deciding factor as to when to change the oil, not appearance. If a UOA has been performed on previous oil changes from the engine in question, that would give you an even more accurate measure as to the mileage when you should change.
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I run a mobile one extended performance filter and ams 5-20 extended performance stuff good for10k I currently change the oil once at 3500 when I first got it and I did my second at 10k oil looked pretty clean still. My next check is in 200 mile because I check it every1000 miles and ill be changing it in another5-6k at about 7.5-8k intervals.
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IMO, that is not good advice, and could cause a warranty issue. The manual specifically describes oil change intervals like this: "As indicated by the message center: do not exceed one year or 10,000 miles." So, if you only follow the intelligent oil life monitor system, and you disregard the 10,000 mile/1 year maximum, you would not be following the recommended oil change interval.
Interesting, I would think that the oil life monitor is more accurate. In my case, i drive almost all highway miles. My engine has had fewer RPMs than many cars with a lot less miles.
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