My Oil Change Interval Debate Rant

[Bimmer-Bob]

This probably won't mean much to those who want to use super-premium oils in their Foci (not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it's not me), but the regular old Motorcraft synth blend that the owner's manual recommends is pretty highly regarded over at the "Bob Is The Oil Guy" forums.

I personally have never once had a car run into issues with running OEM oil changed at least as often as the manual recommends. YMMV.

[Pretherius]

I have 3 free-ish changes coming from my dealer which I intend to get at 5k, 10k, and 15k.

I don't see the point in skimping on oil if you do your own changes. The difference between the recommended MotorCraft oil and Wal Mart's store brand conventional is less than 5 bucks a jug.

After that my intention is to run Mobil 1 for 10K OCI's -if- I can get away without changing the filter. If I'm taking that stupid cover off to change the filter then I will just chainge the oil when I have it apart.

[Ti2012]

Originally Posted by Focus YBTC

Is Amsoil affiliated with Amway in any way?

lol, I am a Amsoil dealer, and I always refer to them [amsoil] as the pyramid scheme amway company. I hate the marketing but I love the oil, which is why I sell it. I only decided to carry it after trying it for myself for a couple of years. Now I use it in everything. I even use the coolant in my farm tractors (but I don't bother trying to sell it $$$$$$).

[revhigh]

Originally Posted by UnleashedBeast

we are questioning if even EP has VISOM hydrocracked petroleum in it.

Out of curiosity .... WHO are the 'WE' in your quotatioin above ?? It's sounding a lot like you work for AMSOIL, which is fine ... but if that's the case ... you should say so. Absolutely no offense intended.

REV

[UnleashedBeast]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

This probably won't mean much to those who want to use super-premium oils in their Foci (not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it's not me), but the regular old Motorcraft synth blend that the owner's manual recommends is pretty highly regarded over at the "Bob Is The Oil Guy" forums.

You are correct, Motorcraft 5W-20 is one of the best entry level lubricants on the market. It simply works and returns great UOAs. Your post does mean a lot, it means that Ford has a winning non-expensive lubricant that has been proven to perform. However, I can't say the same about Motorcraft 5W-50 recommended for the Ford GT, GT500, Boss 302, and track pack GT.

Originally Posted by Pretherius

After that my intention is to run Mobil 1 for 10K OCI's -if- I can get away without changing the filter. If I'm taking that stupid cover off to change the filter then I will just chainge the oil when I have it apart.

To insure success, use Mobil 1 Extended Performance in the 5.1 quart containers. It's only $5.00 more than regular synthetic Mobil 1, but worth the additional investment.

Originally Posted by Ti2012

lol, I am a Amsoil dealer, and I always refer to them [amsoil] as the pyramid scheme amway company. I hate the marketing but I love the oil, which is why I sell it. I only decided to carry it after trying it for myself for a couple of years. Now I use it in everything. I even use the coolant in my farm tractors (but I don't bother trying to sell it $$$$$$).

Ditto, I also use it in everything, even my push lawn mowers. They use to yank your shoulder out of socket when you tried to pull start them, but with Amsoil, you barely pull the cord and it starts the first time.

Amsoil is in fact multi level marketing, but I wouldn't use the stereotype "Pyramid". It's much different. The top guy isn't the one making all the money, the man who works their dealership is, no matter if he is the top, middle, or bottom guy.

Originally Posted by revhigh

Out of curiosity .... WHO are the 'WE' in your quotatioin above ?? It's sounding a lot like you work for AMSOIL, which is fine ... but if that's the case ... you should say so. Absolutely no offense intended.

REV

"We" is defined as other internet posters in the know and people on the inside who's trust I have earned. I wish I worked as an Amsoil employee, I need a job.

I do hold an Amsoil independent dealer number, but showing people how to buy it at cost doesn't bring home any bacon for me. I do it for the love of cars, and sharing that love with members of car forums who I share something in common with.

[Kabigon]

Originally Posted by UnleashedBeast

Now I need a solution for the factory DCT transmission. DCT fluid isn't common these days, as the technology is still kinda new. I've been researching alternate fluids other than Ford's DCT fluid, but to no avail. Guess I have to wait for companies to formulate something better.

Why do you need a solution?
How exactly would you quantify another gear oil as "something better"?

[KeithLM]

Originally Posted by UnleashedBeast

That get's funnier every time I hear it.

No, they are not.

Amsoil was once spelled, "Amzoil" after the owner's name of Al Amatuzio.

Originally Posted by Ti2012

lol, I am a Amsoil dealer, and I always refer to them [amsoil] as the pyramid scheme amway company. I hate the marketing but I love the oil, which is why I sell it. I only decided to carry it after trying it for myself for a couple of years. Now I use it in everything. I even use the coolant in my farm tractors (but I don't bother trying to sell it $$$$$$).

Amsoil is in fact multi level marketing, but I wouldn't use the stereotype "Pyramid". It's much different. The top guy isn't the one making all the money, the man who works their dealership is, no matter if he is the top, middle, or bottom guy.

OK, so you admit it. That's good. Now why do you think people make the comparison to Amway? It's because you pop up on this forum and start preaching about your oil and telling us what an authority you are on it and how everything else is inferior and how we'll all learn from you and understand it's the best.

You need to chill it with the rhetoric. You come off as a blow-hard and it's difficult to take you seriously. And when you are affiliated with a company you should state that up front when you start pushing it on other people.

[UnleashedBeast]

Originally Posted by KeithLM

OK, so you admit it. That's good. Now why do you think people make the comparison to Amway? It's because you pop up on this forum and start preaching about your oil and telling us what an authority you are on it and how everything else is inferior and how we'll all learn from you and understand it's the best.

You need to chill it with the rhetoric. You come off as a blow-hard and it's difficult to take you seriously. And when you are affiliated with a company you should state that up front when you start pushing it on other people.

For the record, I've been studying lubricant formulation and technology since 2004. That was long before I had ever heard the name "Amsoil". During the course of study, it was difficult to avoid chatter about the product. It seemed to always be mentioned, and was winning respect in circles. I dug deep with a shovel to discredit the brand as snake oil, I failed.

Like I said, you will view me like that the first few months to a year, but your view will change. The UOA threads will pop up, and the comparisons will begin. I don't make claims that I can't back up, and if you were a poster on SVT Performance, you would already know what I mean. Have patience, it's coming.

In the end, my PM inbox blows up with application questions of all types, and not just about Amsoil. Many ask what they can grab off the shelf that is possibly a better choice for their application. Not all questions are about the car a forum is centered around.

P.S. What seems to be the problem with Amway? I've known families in the past to market and sell Amway products with success. It helped them live more comfortable. Where's the negative in that?

*Yes, I agree that Amsoil would be "considered" a better, more reputable, product if it was sold in Wal Mart or auto part stores.*

[Kabigon]

Originally Posted by feta_mgp

My 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 had it's oil changed every 3,000 miles. Out of the 6 qts. it took... I'd say on average between 4-5 came out, usually closer to 4... Had I waited until 5,000 miles, or even worse, 7-10,000 miles... I probably would have seized the engine.

Are you stating that a 5000 mile OCI on a Mazdaspeed 3 is going to do serious damage to the engine?

[Nutty 5.0]

UB is a good guy. Sold my terminator last year so I don't get on SVT much now. Welcome to FF!

EDIT: I'm also another Amsoil user. For the oil change intervals, Amsoil ends up being cheaper if you go with the flavors that offer extended range. I like changing oil once every six months or a year.