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Old 05-14-2012, 12:18 PM   #31
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Possibly dumb question, but where would I see if my car needs this TSB update? According to this, my build date is in the range affected, but I don't see anything on ETIS (Would I, or does that only show recalls?). Is there anywhere else I should check to see if I "qualify" for this?
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:31 PM   #32
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How is this a "problem?": Difficulty launching from a stop when not using the accelerator pedal.

I would think it pretty much impossible to launch without using the throttle, lol.
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You should be able to launch manual transmission cars without using the accelerator. That's the first thing you should learn how to do when learning to drive manual or a motorcycle so you know where the clutch engagement point is. I've also had to drive like this due to my left knee being immobilized.
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Uh, wrong. No throttle and the engine stalls. Pretty simple.
I agree with BetaDnB. This was the first thing I learned driving a stick: on flat and level ground, launch the car without any throttle input. On my 2012 Focus, this is extremely easy. Even engaging the clutch (i.e., releasing the pedal) a bit quicker caused the car to lurch forward a bit but I've been able to not stall. It takes quite a quick release to stall my car. This makes me happy.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:18 PM   #33
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I agree with BetaDnB. This was the first thing I learned driving a stick: on flat and level ground, launch the car without any throttle input. On my 2012 Focus, this is extremely easy. Even engaging the clutch (i.e., releasing the pedal) a bit quicker caused the car to lurch forward a bit but I've been able to not stall. It takes quite a quick release to stall my car. This makes me happy.
Good point as well. This is one of the very first things I start people off with when I'm teaching them how to drive a manual transmission. They need to get a feel for the engagement point and learn what is mechanically happening with their input.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:47 PM   #34
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Good point as well. This is one of the very first things I start people off with when I'm teaching them how to drive a manual transmission. They need to get a feel for the engagement point and learn what is mechanically happening with their input.
This is what I was getting at when I made the post about motorcycles. I took a beginner motorcycle course a couple years ago and this was at the beginning of the run down.

1) Learn to get on and off the bike (engine not running)
2) Understanding how a bike countersteers (engine not running)
3) (engine running) Find clutch engagment point without throttle. If you use the throttle you're likely to get tossed from the course without a refund (becuase it's not time to learn how to use the throttle yet and this could be dangerous)

But hey, what do I know? I've only been driving manuals for 16 years.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:52 PM   #35
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This is what I was getting at when I made the post about motorcycles. I took a beginner motorcycle course a couple years ago and this was at the beginning of the run down.

1) Learn to get on and off the bike (engine not running)
2) Understanding how a bike countersteers (engine not running)
3) (engine running) Find clutch engagment point without throttle. If you use the throttle you're likely to get tossed from the course without a refund (becuase it's not time to learn how to use the throttle yet and this could be dangerous)

But hey, what do I know? I've only been driving manuals for 16 years.
Well, I owe you an apology.

I've been driving a manual for 15 years, believe it or not. And in fact, I've done this a million times, for example, when creeping forward in traffic. I guess 1st of all - I don't really consider it a "launch" per se, but I do see how, if you define it as any forward motion, then it is. And secondly, for some reason I got overly defensive to your posts and things escalated, which I regret.

So sorry for making a stubborn ass of myself.
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Well, I owe you an apology.

I've been driving a manual for 15 years, believe it or not. And in fact, I've done this a million times, for example, when creeping forward in traffic. I guess 1st of all - I don't really consider it a "launch" per se, but I do see how, if you define it as any forward motion, then it is. And secondly, for some reason I got overly defensive to your posts and things escalated, which I regret.

So sorry for making a stubborn ass of myself.
Showing back up and setting things straight is good character.
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Apology accepted.

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I think this is the only forum I'm part of that even a simple, kind TSB post turns into pages of bickering about a pretty much unrelated topic.
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I'm not a part of any forum that isn't...
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I think this is the only forum I'm part of that even a simple, kind TSB post turns into pages of bickering about a pretty much unrelated topic.
OK, let's bicker about whether it is unrelated or not.

I mean, it mentions launch without accelerator right there in the TSB!
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