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Old 05-14-2012, 10:00 AM   #101
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Yeah I know the suspension bits have some different part nos., I just wonder what real difference there is. The differences you felt might have been primarily to do with the rims / tires. The alloys themselves should be a little stiffer than the base steel wheels, no? I've got the "cushy" SEL suspension and it's plenty stiff for me.

Anyway, too bad about the sport package...
Certainly wheels and tires have a big impact. In fact, I also drove a Ti without the Handling Pack and really felt the best in that car of the 3 I drove. Theoretically, the SE Sport with optional 17" wheel package that I ordered should handle pretty much the same - here's hoping, anyway.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:08 AM   #102
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It has now changed and if you don't have a 2012 on order, you are out of luck. The final order date changed to 5-7-2012!

http://www.donlen.com/buildstart-ford.aspx
I ordered mine Friday and when I read this called the dealership. They told me everything was good to go and the car had been ordered. Why would they back it up to a week ago? That doesn't make any sense. If they came out and said today is the day, that's understandable but to say it was a week ago makes no sense.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:13 AM   #103
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I agree with this completely and it's a major gripe of mine as well. You get rear discs on the $12K Hyundai but in 2013 you STILL have to tack on a big premium to get them on the Ford compacts...? Huh??
Unfortunately, it is like that with many compacts. Honda Civic are drums (except EX and Si). Nissan Sentra are drums (except SE-R). All Toyota Corollas are drums. Chevy Cruze are drums (except 2LT and LTZ). Mitsubishi Lancer has drums in the DE and ES w/o alloy wheels. I do not know about the Dodge Dart. I hope that more compacts in the future switch to rear disks. I do not know what the specs are for the 2013 Nissan Sentra, or the 2014 Toyota Corolla. If I did not mention a car, that means all wheel disk breaks are standard.

As for subcompacts, drums are standard in all trim limes of the Chevy Sonic and the Ford Fiesta. Also, the all trims of the Mazda 2 is drums and so is the Honda Fit and Nissan Versa. Yaris is drums until you go to the SE.

From a safety standpoint, I would like to see more applications of the rear disk breaks. If I miss anything, let me know. The point is that Ford is not the one doing this, but we think that they should be stepping up and act like a class leader when it comes to safety.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:29 AM   #104
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Base Jetta has drums, too, I think.
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Base Jetta has drums, too, I think.
I forgot about that. Jettas have drums until you go to the SEL!
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:42 AM   #106
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The point is that Ford is not the one doing this, but we think that they should be stepping up and act like a class leader when it comes to safety.
Thanks for the info. My point was not that Ford is the only one using drums. It's that they're making it even harder to get them for '13 compared to '12. It should be the other way around.
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I agree with this completely and it's a major gripe of mine as well. You get rear discs on the $12K Hyundai but in 2013 you STILL have to tack on a big premium to get them on the Ford compacts...? Huh??
Stopping distance 2012 Focus 60-0: 110 ft
Stopping distance 2013 Accent 60-0: 130 ft

It's not all about the rear discs apparently. Isn't that is what is most important on a car anyways is stopping distance?
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Stopping distance 2012 Focus 60-0: 110 ft
Stopping distance 2013 Accent 60-0: 130 ft

It's not all about the rear discs apparently. Isn't that is what is most important on a car anyways is stopping distance?
That Focus was equipped with summer tires as part of the Titanium's Handling Package. The Focus Titanium that MotorWeek tested a while back got 126 feet and that is with the regular 17" wheels.
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In addition, I do not know what the drum Focus stopping distance is.
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That Focus was equipped with summer tires as part of the Titanium's Handling Package. The Focus Titanium that MotorWeek tested a while back got 126 feet and that is with the regular 17" wheels.
That was listed as a Focus S which obviously has drums, now different publications have different specs as Ford doesn't list it nor does Hyundai. But still a lighter weight vehicle with 4 wheel disc should stop quicker than a Focus with rear drums you'd think?
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